By name only. Control in the novels is way more interesting.I can only think of CONTROL
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"
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In short, even in this conservative century, people hook up all the time, at the drop of a hat-- especially hormone-driven young people.
Starfleet crawling with infiltrators...?
I kinda hoped that trope was over and done with.
It was my belief that Picard and his crew represented the best of both humanity and the fleet but this show seems intent on portraying Picard as an outlier,the only moral man in a universe of bastardry.
I kinda hoped that trope was over and done with.
It was my belief that Picard and his crew represented the best of both humanity and the fleet but this show seems intent on portraying Picard as an outlier,the only moral man in a universe of bastardry.
that was always the case. the morally doubtful starfleet personel of the week is a tried trope dating all the way back to TOS
But that doesn’t make sense either, especially when you consider the Enterprise Season 4 trilogy with the robotic ships controlled by the Aenar . Sure by TNG that was 200 years in the past (and written well after “Thd Defector”) but it still gives the Romulans cybernetics and robotics technology.
No doubt there's a line drawn in vacuum somewhere, just like the Amish shun machines except for certain sorts.
Until we learn what the taboo or hang-up is specifically about, we can't plausibly argue what it would encompass and what not. Perhaps only machine men are banned, while automated lawnmowers are fine?
Timo Saloniemi
Until we learn what the taboo or hang-up is specifically about, we can't plausibly argue what it would encompass and what not. Perhaps only machine men are banned, while automated lawnmowers are fine?
Timo Saloniemi
I don't think so. I think it will be the other way around - Picard trying to restore the loss ideals of the Federation he stood for his six decade Starfleet away and instill it to a new generation of space adventures - the misfits he recruited during his final space adventure and voyage.
Her name will be revealed as a Dax next week
"Hi, I'm Naáshala Kunamadéstifee. Call me Kunamadestifee for short. Okay, Namadest. Mad? M? Sigh. Whatever floats your boat."
"Is 'Dax' okay with you?"
Timo Saloniemi
I generally find him to be too harsh on episodes that are setting things up. I believe he's harsher on them now than he was in 1999 with DS9's "Penumbra", "'Til Death Do Us Part", and "Strange Bedfellows". I think there's some bias on his part. I feel "Maps and Symbols" is better than two-and-a-half stars. 2.5 stars is what I think of as "middle of the road". I gave it an 8/10, which would be the equivalent of 3 stars. It got me more interested in the "world" of 2399. "Middle of the road" doesn't get me more interested in anything.
It introduced the concept of the Zhat Vash. It closes the door of Starfleet as an option for Picard. It explained why he doesn't decide to turn to his former crew of the Enterprise for help. It sets up he'll need a new/different crew. Which leads him directly to Musiker and directly into the next episode. It sets up the idea that Picard has a neurological disorder, which I'm dead-sure will pay off later. It also established the web that Commodore Oh is the linchpin of, with Rizzo reporting to her and Rizzo using Narek to get to Soji.
It has narrative cohesion. It just doesn't have the traditional style of something being set up and resolved in the same episode. I think Jammer just doesn't like the style of writing or the choices they made. That's all well and good. But it's not random things that are happening in the episode. If it were all random and nothing would be of consequence, then I'd agree with you and he. If I didn't know I was watching the second tenth of a complete story, I'd agree.
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Ann Magnuson, who played Admiral Clancy, had a bit of a musical career back in the 80s and 90s. She fronted a couple of bands, one of which was named... Vulcan Death Grip (the other was "Bongwater"). They were a satirical faux heavy metal band. They were interesting, to say the least.
I do declare that is a witticism that I do not get.
Until tomorrow, geniuses, LLAP!
Allegedly banned on flights after 9/11. Lot of furore about baby milk and stuff too.
I'm dense. I didn't notice that or the spots
As an artist, I would have been tempted to use a light colour for her trill spots.
The CSI/NCIS complaint makes me laugh. NCIS in particular is basically the TNG format anyway. Gibbs is Picard, you have the ‘young womanising’ Riker type, Abbey and whotsisname geek boy are covering Data/Geordi/Wesley, and MacCullums character is your basic Starfleet doctor type. We even get Yar types, and a Marina Sirtis guest role.
Sure you can, but that hasn't happened. The USA shredded a nuclear arms treaty with Russia and also the Iranian Nuclear deal … both within, what? the past 2 years. Despite that new nuclear power plants are still being built. Granted some are "cleaner" than others.
Exactly my point, thank you! Reason and rationality was prevalent , won the day, and won it handily. They didn't let fear stop them. Fear is the antithesis of science.
I never got the sense from STiD that the Klingons were unknown. On the contrary, Marcus knew pretty much all about them, and knew that there was a war on the horizon. Uhura was fluent in the language, too. Not something you can do if you're not very familiar with the species.
But you can't build nuclear weapons with reactor grade fuel. It just won't work. So, if someone really wanted to ban nuclear weapons but keep nuclear power, it's totally possible to do so.
No. Theree was never any fear among physicists about the Earth being destroyed. That storyline came about by the average joe who heard "black holes at the LHC" and didn't understand the whole picture.
Many I adore, some I partially disagree with. But he puts time into them and that's what counts.
Still, I need to look up what this "peak TV" concept is... is it a term that amounts to everything cannibalizing old shows because they can't think of genuine innovation anymore? (e.g. Firefly was based on Blake's 7 and other shows and things but added and changed enough to make it feel like its own show. Or Star Wars taking Samurai tropes and adding a couple twists with day-glo swords and an art deco mask with cape?)As Jammer said, this is "peak TV" so definitely expect more of the same apocryphal BS. It's ironic since the DS9 episode that introduced them was intriguing - like a double-edged sword. As you indicated with the law of diminishing returns.
Sybok was the closest to a Vulcan being different that was even remotely interesting. PIC was probably trying to go down a not dissimilar route to improve upon or one-up the concept.
It bugged me more that Picard states he never got into sci-fi, despite referncing a Dyson sphere by name, amongst other things... ***********
Forgetting it's still crass in general, that scene from Star Trek IV is still a fun one (given the context of dealing with our 20th century that they're thrown into).
Picard swore in French in season 2 TNG, albeit once. That's probably how it made it on screen to begin with. The h-word or d-word are tame and can convey just as much if not more, especially if the underlying situation feels authentic and not melodraaaaaaaaaama - the more of that usually results in the use of the far nastier words.
But it still comes across uncouth and very 21st century civilian, which is out of place in established 24th century (would dialect and inflection change THAT MUCH in two decades? Dialect, perhaps, since nobody really says "gag me with a spoon" or other trashy valleyspeak anymore yet somehow "merch" came back with insane gusto and from a decade almost everyone claims to loathe but keeps the hip dialect and other things anyway but I digress) They believe they're making "adult, mature" television, but it's only juvenile. It really isn't "****ing cool". The more they do it per-episode, and especially if it's done in many if not every episode... Give it some depth and steeped reason. Not hipster trash like the 1990s flick "Total Recall" - a great movie but a swear every x seconds apart wasn't needed. Like standup comedians who swear every 5 seconds because that's always funny... it really isn't. Mass audiences might like it but a lot of ciggie smokers in the 1950s were calling nonsmokers uncool too...
That said, I'm happy many people are fine with it. It's okay to be for or against it. Indeed, your reason is one of the best ones yet, to be fair. Heck, plenty of 21st century people sometimes use 13th century words and even grunts like "ug" and other leftovers from prehistoric caveman days so perhaps I'm too stern and obstinate on this particular issue... But would I want to see Shatner Kirk or the real McCoy effenheimer up the s-word-er incessantly? Nope... they got better messages across without needing to stoop. /mytwocents
Side note: Should any Trek series waddle around on Earth for so long, just call it "Earth Trek" instead?
TNG wasn't perfect in this regard as well but the actors made it work. LeVar in particular is underrated as an actor given what he had to belt out and even the nonconvincing stuff he could make work as her made it all sound authentic, having the words feel authentic too helps. Yet when VOY came about it kept shoveling in the technobabble but in such a diluted and haphazard state that it became the source of much mockery and who could blame them, it was lackadaisically made...
Why does the Federation need to fall in order to make a series? That's a bit of a cliche too. It's certainly trite... at the same time, given TNG movies and a couple tail-end episodes pulling the "Corrupt Federation Personnel" card every other movie or what not, PIC comes across even less compelling as a result. But it probably was done so Stewart could act like Stewart in front of the camera instead of acting out Picard. That would make sense...
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