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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x02 - "Maps and Legends"

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This episode took a step back for me.

Pros:
Patrick Stewart
Romulan Housekeepers
Isa Briones Sojii

Cons:
Why do people talk like 21st century so-cal residents?
Picard is sick and probs gonna die soon
Starfleet double agents and seedy admirals

I don't get the obsession with double agents and evil taking root in Starfleet sigh.. we have enough with Discovery.

Overall I'm concerned that I'm "only" going to enjoy the show for nostalgia nuggets and the wonderful acting of Stewart and Briones. Allison pill is likeable too I should mention that.

On the positive we gave Frakes and Sirtis coming up, Hugh and Seven and hopefully the new crew will be cool.
 
Also the romulan bad guy lacks gravitas. My man is out here weighing a buck 50 and they are doing intimidating slow mo walking shots of him. Peyton list I believe is playing his sister and shes good.
 
^ @Trekker4747 You are really hitting on my biggest pet peeve of this...it doesn't FEEL like Star Trek. I don't mean TNG reloaded...I mean Star Trek, the world they are inhabiting. These people that write the show seem to be trying to shove Trek into a "modern show" hole, and it doesn't work very well at times. It's jarring. The "Space CSI" part in the apartment where they recreate the crime scene. The millennial dialogue with Dahj (last episode) and Soji (this episode) and the Mars scene. It just takes me out of it. When Patrick Stewart comes back onscreen it centers again, and it feels better. But it's just off to me....and I hope I get used to it.
 
No one ever said they couldn't have conflict. But, again, if a Fed member can leave whenever they want over a single disagreement, well, then the Federation would never, ever be able to endure.

He was an Admiral in his 80ies. Of course he can retire at any point. Think of Federal Judges.
 
^ @Trekker4747 You are really hitting on my biggest pet peeve of this...it doesn't FEEL like Star Trek. I don't mean TNG reloaded...I mean Star Trek, the world they are inhabiting. These people that write the show seem to be trying to shove Trek into a "modern show" hole, and it doesn't work very well at times. It's jarring. The "Space CSI" part in the apartment where they recreate the crime scene. The millennial dialogue with Dahj (last episode) and Soji (this episode) and the Mars scene. It just takes me out of it. When Patrick Stewart comes back onscreen it centers again, and it feels better. But it's just off to me....and I hope I get used to it.

One hundred percent this
 
Star Trek needed to evolve and shed its outdated and highly formulaic ways if it wanted to survive in this new era and quite frankly i'm quite glad they did

Using 21st century colloquialisms dates the show out of the gate tbh. I imagine Tom Paris would love Dajh' boyfriend and Sojii using old school 21st century 300 year old so Cal slang
 
There are ways to evolve and not feel like an episode of CSI or NCIS.

I used to joke back when JJTrek first started that one day we would have CSI: Starfleet complete with the who soundtrack.

Certain scenes feel like that crossed with Dr Who crossed with Skins or something. Then in the next scene we go back to "regular" star trek. It's thematically uneven.
 
You can make a show modern by changing the way it's shot (which they've done). Updating the effects (which they've done). Giving places like Starfleet Command a facelift (which they've done). But be mindful of the world you inhabit. In the pilot I didn't feel like this AS MUCH, but with this episode, parts of it really made me feel like I was watching "generic CBS show."

Maybe when they get on the ship it'll feel different.
 
You can make a show modern by changing the way it's shot (which they've done). Updating the effects (which they've done). Giving places like Starfleet Command a facelift (which they've done). But be mindful of the world you inhabit. In the pilot I didn't feel like this AS MUCH, but with this episode, parts of it really made me feel like I was watching "generic CBS show."

Maybe when they get on the ship it'll feel different.

Exactly. I do see the other side of the coin that especially younger characters need to be maybe a bit "looser" than typical star trek, but I feel they have successfully done that with Trip Tucker in enterprise.
 
I think they must've felt they needed to connect with younger viewers. I haven't seen much of Discovery so I don't know if it's like this too.
 
I think they must've felt they needed to connect with younger viewers. I haven't seen much of Discovery so I don't know if it's like this too.

It is.

The shows are fairly similar with Picard thematically being a bit more like classic trek and discovery a bit more modern mainstream
 
Rather bummed they used the Discoprise in the hologram.
We're most likely never going to see the ORIGINAL original 1701 onscreen again.

Mainly because it's easier and cheaper to reuse the Discoprise model they've already got rather than building a TOS one. Secondarily because of BS claims that it wouldn't look good onscreen for one lame reason or another. Thirdly because of "EEEW! OLD 1960's THING! ICKY!" syndrome.


Also why did it just skip to the D?
Where’s bloody A, bloody B and bloody C?
Probably because they've only got the Discoprise and D 3d models to work with.

And before anyone points out the Refit used in the "Ephraim and Dot" short, that's a very simplistic model with very little detail that only really works with a toon shader. It's nowhere up to snuff to be used as proper starship model unless it's way way way way way off in the background.
 
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