Star Trek peeves

[Commishsleer]

Cadet to Captain of the flag ship in a week. Pine-Kirk is certainly an achiever. Does the US navy have that kind of promotional opportunity?

Geordi (lt jg) moving from helm/navigator to Chief of Engineering in a week. Granted they also did that in "Into Darkness" but at least they didn't turn Chekov into the greatest Engineer ever in a few days.

There is a gap of a few months between The Neutral Zone and The Child. Presumably, Geordi's engineering training takes place then.

If they stated that I would have been a lot happier. They just (it seemed) plonked him in that position when he'd never been seen as ever having interest/training/history(majored in Engineering at the Academy say) in that position at all.
And then he jumps into that position and is suddenly such as expert. Much better than Scotty or B'Elanna from Day 1.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Why? The Maquis's animosity toward Janeway could easily have been fed by their general animosity toward the Federation and Starfleet, because she represents both. Not trying to use the array to go home would just be an excuse, but it's an excuse she handed them on a silver platter. Utter fool.

Well, unless what I've repeated a number of times in various threads is so much apocrypha, the network simply didn't want a divided crew, in conflict for an extended period of time, to be anything like a significant theme of the show, so the show runners had to reduce its significance and duration, no matter how logical it may have seemed in-universe. Speculating on it can be interesting, but the reality seems to be that it became pretty much a non-starter, so...

So, the network didn't want conflict so they started the show with an act that in a normal situation would guarantee conflict? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? That is the level of idiocy that deluged that whole waste of a series throughout its run.

The network didn't want conflict, but the creators did (specifically Michael Piller). They ended up having to compromise with the studio and ultimately had all their ideas for Starfleet/Maquis headbutting ruled out.

Deep Space 9 was probably to blame, because it started an entire war around that time, and they wanted a show that could be a true successor to TNG.

 

[FormerLurker]

If they stated that I would have been a lot happier. They just (it seemed) plonked him in that position when he'd never been seen as ever having interest/training/history(majored in Engineering at the Academy say) in that position at all.
And then he jumps into that position and is suddenly such as expert. Much better than Scotty or B'Elanna from Day 1.

I thought they did say that at some point. Much as Picard once stated that he had witnessed Geordi take apart an entire shuttlecraft to fix some small problem that he could detect, and then put it back together again.

 

[Paradise City]

Geordi (lt jg) moving from helm/navigator to Chief of Engineering in a week. Granted they also did that in "Into Darkness" but at least they didn't turn Chekov into the greatest Engineer ever in a few days.

He gets there in a few months but it's not something that bothered me really. We don't know his background in detail and he just goes from junior Lt to full Lt just like Worf does. Chief Engineer doesn't seem all that far up the ladder given that his numerous predecessors were so...ordinary. Maybe there wasn't room for him but it was agreed he'd do a year as helmsman and do engineering in the evening and then he'd become a senior engineer but as noone else was about he got the nod for chief. Isn't there some sort of anecdote from Picard saying he hired him because of his dedication in refitting shuttle engines over some off hand remark he made criticising them? So he is a pilot with a certain aptitude for engineering.

 

[Paradise City]

A peeve is the Flint phenomena. Every creative human in history turns out to have been actually an alien or under alien influence. This is done in DS9 when an alien inspires Jake like she had previously inspired Keats.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

A peeve is the Flint phenomena. Every creative human in history turns out to have been actually an alien or under alien influence.

Neither of which applied to Flint...immortal or not, he was still human.

 

[Richard Baker]

Since we also see it with Gillian Taylor & Kirk in STIV and with Kirk & the alien lady in the Star Trek Beyond trailer, apparently so.

I agree it doesn't make any sense, but that's apparently the way that Trek has decided it works, because it works better dramatically to get "surprise passengers." Logically, you'd think that'd lead to a The Fly situation, though.

In the novel Kirk was astonished that Gillian did that because it was so dangerous, then he remembered that she was totally ignorant of the technology and had no idea that it a bad thing to do. The movie would have been interesting if only half of her beamed up.

My question is why beam into the ship at all? They had left it using the boarding ramp when they got there. Having a person just disappear (as they entered the cloaking field) would have been less noticeable that having them disappear with a cloud of glowing blue sparkles.
I also wonder why if the BOP's cloaking field can extend down to and around the landing gear why did it not also extend to and around the boarding ramp?

 

[1001001]

So my son and I have been watching TNG and there is something that bugs me: Troi's constantly changing outfits. She's a Starfleet Officer. She should have been wearing a uniform the whole time. It took Jellico to set things right.

 

[The Wormhole]

So my son and I have been watching TNG and there is something that bugs me: Troi's constantly changing outfits. She's a Starfleet Officer. She should have been wearing a uniform the whole time. It took Jellico to set things right.

Even Marina Sirtis complained about not wearing a uniform.

 

[Triskelion]

Not hanging up Combadges:

~ Officer Peanut, please report to the bridge.
Okey Dokey! ...Boy I hate that guy's ridges.
~ Um, yeah, you didn't say "Peanut out."


Anomalies:

"Captain! Look at that big fuck-off space-firenado!
"Move us in for a closer look! I'm sure it's perfectly safe!"


24th Century Archaeology:

"A Promelian Battle Cruiser!"
"Let's blow it up real good!"
"A Kurlan Naiskos!"
"Meh, toss it!"
"A Tox Utat."
"Blow it away!"
"That civilization is gonna die!"
"Ah, screw 'em."
"We've got your saddle."
"NOW I'M PISSED!"

 

[JonnyQuest037]

My question is why beam into the ship at all? They had left it using the boarding ramp when they got there. Having a person just disappear (as they entered the cloaking field) would have been less noticeable that having them disappear with a cloud of glowing blue sparkles.
I also wonder why if the BOP's cloaking field can extend down to and around the landing gear why did it not also extend to and around the boarding ramp?

When you think about it for more than a few seconds, you realize that that entire scene was contrived around the moment of Gillian jumping into the transporter beam to join Kirk. Why the heck would they beam everyone out of the hospital elevator into the park in the first place? Why not just straight aboard the ship? Especially when it means you have to huddle an injured man up a boarding ramp?

Because then you can't have that cute moment between Kirk and Gillian.

It works when you're first watching the movie, but when you rewatch it... Yeah, it's horribly contrived.

Come to think of it, was STIV the first time we saw a transporter beam somebody somewhere without a transporter at either end? That seems to push the transporter even further away from "advanced technology that seems like magic" into just straight "magic" territory.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

A peeve is the Flint phenomena. Every creative human in history turns out to have been actually an alien or under alien influence. This is done in DS9 when an alien inspires Jake like she had previously inspired Keats.

Yes, I agree that they've gone to that well a few too many times. You really realize it when you're reading through the Star Trek Chronology and you see all the Earth historical figures in quick succession.

 

[Admiral2]

The network didn't want conflict, but the creators did (specifically Michael Piller). They ended up having to compromise with the studio and ultimately had all their ideas for Starfleet/Maquis headbutting ruled out.

Deep Space 9 was probably to blame, because it started an entire war around that time, and they wanted a show that could be a true successor to TNG.

Really? It's DS9's fault?

No, it's bad writing, period. The idiot that wrote the pilot made Janeway do something utterly idiotic. Why he or she did it is irrelevant. I don't care about the studio, I don't care about the need for conflict and DS9 had f--- all to do with it. Janeway made a stupid call and stuck us with Star Trek: Lost in Space.

 

[f14peter]

- any scene that contains the expression: "If I reconfigure ..."

 

[Tracy Trek]

Yes, that thing about all of them beaming from the hospital to Golden Gate Park instead of directly to the ship irked me as well. Are we to believe that a public park in a major city is always that deserted? The only time they ever have anyone notice anything in the park (other than Gillian) is the garbage men and the joggers.

 

[Paradise City]

It is odd. But it's a scene I barely assimilate in all its dimensions because the movie is going fairly quickly at that point. Trying to explain it away is that they didn't want to bring Taylor onto the ship for their departure so they were beamed outside so they could say their goodbye there. But, yes, it's contrived, there's no two bits about it.

 

[2takesfrakes]

A painted sign from the Prop Department saying, "Park closed for repairs" would've made the whole Bird of Prey in the Park thing make more sense in STAR TREK 4. As I understand it, though, when the final draft of the script was ready, there were already considerable time pressures for this movie. Add to that the fact that Nimoy's both acting in it and directing, failing to notice the fine details in this movie is maybe a little more understandable ...

 

[JonnyQuest037]

It is odd. But it's a scene I barely assimilate in all its dimensions because the movie is going fairly quickly at that point.

Yes, that's the main reason they got away with it -- the audience was caught up in the story by that point & wasn't thinking about stuff like that. And any sort of explanation they came up with would've just needlessly slowed the movie down.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

They failed to sell the decision of 'Strand yourself to prevent the slavery of a defenseless race' well, but that doesn't mean it was a stupid decision. The excuse for the series was fine.

So the network didn't want Voyager to be NuBSG. That's fine. They didn't need to have a full insurrection to show two groups with two different points of view on a situation. The writers can't blame the network for everything.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

So my son and I have been watching TNG and there is something that bugs me: Troi's constantly changing outfits. She's a Starfleet Officer. She should have been wearing a uniform the whole time. It took Jellico to set things right.

Yup. Couldn't agree more!