Well, no. But then the US Navy also doesn't have a flagship either.
But seriously, yeah Kirk's meteoric launch to the rank of captain is a serious peeve of mine from Trek XI.
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Well, no. But then the US Navy also doesn't have a flagship either.
But seriously, yeah Kirk's meteoric launch to the rank of captain is a serious peeve of mine from Trek XI.
Well, to be fair, Kirk didn't go from cadet to Captain. He went from Lieutenant to Captain. He only skipped the LCDR and CDR grades.
(Don't believe me? Check the transporter readout screen as they're beaming Kirk and Sulu up from the drill. It specifically identifies Kirk as a Lieutenant.)
If the scene at Starfleet Academy hadn't been interrupted by Nero's attack, Kirk was about to receive his commendation for original thinking (in the Kobayashi Maru test) and graduate from the Academy with the rank of Lieutenant - exactly the same as his prime timeline counterpart did.
(Don't believe me? Check the transporter readout screen as they're beaming Kirk and Sulu up from the drill. It specifically identifies Kirk as a Lieutenant.)
If the scene at Starfleet Academy hadn't been interrupted by Nero's attack, Kirk was about to receive his commendation for original thinking (in the Kobayashi Maru test) and graduate from the Academy with the rank of Lieutenant - exactly the same as his prime timeline counterpart did.
^ He wasn't doing that. Miri may have had a crush on Kirk, but there's no indication he returned it.
He went from Cadet to Lt to Captain in that week, no? It's been awhile since I saw this film.
@Chubby: Kirk did not do what he did in order to take advantage of Miri personally. He was trying to get his ship and crew out of that situation, and save the 'onlies' in the process. At no time was he ever intent on harming Miri or anything like that.
@Paradise: Like I said, Kirk was about to graduate with the rank of Lieutenant. His prime counterpart did exactly the same thing. So there's not as much of a stretch as some people think. Kirk's progression from Cadet to graduation happened gradually, while he was at the Academy - and well before that scene ever took place.
@Paradise: Like I said, Kirk was about to graduate with the rank of Lieutenant. His prime counterpart did exactly the same thing. So there's not as much of a stretch as some people think. Kirk's progression from Cadet to graduation happened gradually, while he was at the Academy - and well before that scene ever took place.
^ The "glad eye"? 
I honestly don't remember Kirk looking at Miri with anything other than friendship and care. I certainly never thought he was perving at her (faking it or not). Just because Kirk smiled at Miri, and I'm sure he did, doesn't mean he was leering.
I honestly don't remember Kirk looking at Miri with anything other than friendship and care. I certainly never thought he was perving at her (faking it or not). Just because Kirk smiled at Miri, and I'm sure he did, doesn't mean he was leering.
Spock had this thing where after he'd had his first Human woman, he was only "allowed" to get with Romulan women, from then on. I don't know what that was about, I guess Shatner felt that the Spock character was fishing in Kirk's pond and didn't like it. But all the Human, or Humanesque women were - seemingly - happy to keep themselves in the Kirk camp, otherwise.
Whilst pretty much the entire film is a peeve to me, this was one of the biggest that sticks in my mind.
Actually the US Navy has a few, not just one.
Okay, but what I meant is there is no "Flagship of the US Navy" like there is a Flagship of Starfleet.
Peeve #1-
Tapping your communicator while in a crowd of people and saying "Three to beam up"- Which three???
Peeve #2-
Phasers were powerful in TOS- with the Next Gen tech advances GR said a Phaser 2 (Dustbuster) could remove the top of a mountain. Why is it when one is fired in a conflict all it does is make a little burn mark on the wall? Why fire in pulses at all- it is an energy weapon, hold the rigger down and sweep it across the room or landscape until what you want to hit is down.
Peeve #3-
Warp core ejection systems are always off line when you need them. I think they have only worked twice on screen, once on Voyager and in the film Insurrection (but it was not about to explode then, the weapon shock wave was being drawn to it).
(Oops - 3 times, I forgot about ST2009).
Peeve #4-
Every control panel exploding in violent sparks when the ship is hit.
Tapping your communicator while in a crowd of people and saying "Three to beam up"- Which three???
Peeve #2-
Phasers were powerful in TOS- with the Next Gen tech advances GR said a Phaser 2 (Dustbuster) could remove the top of a mountain. Why is it when one is fired in a conflict all it does is make a little burn mark on the wall? Why fire in pulses at all- it is an energy weapon, hold the rigger down and sweep it across the room or landscape until what you want to hit is down.
Peeve #3-
Warp core ejection systems are always off line when you need them. I think they have only worked twice on screen, once on Voyager and in the film Insurrection (but it was not about to explode then, the weapon shock wave was being drawn to it).
(Oops - 3 times, I forgot about ST2009).
Peeve #4-
Every control panel exploding in violent sparks when the ship is hit.
My biggest Trek peeve: James Tiberius Kirk, a swaggering, womanizing dunce that somehow managed to swagger his way into command of a space cruiser with guns. (and no, I'm not talking about the Pine version.)
Next: Captain Jean-Luc Picard, an effete pacifist snob who was at least civilized enough to leave the swaggering and womanizing to his oak tree of First Officer.
Next: Captain Katheryn Janeway, an utter fool who managed to strand her ship 70,000 lightyears from home because she couldn't figure out "Leave charges on the array to blow it up AFTER we leave."
Any episode of any show where a FTL spaceship has to travel through a deadly gas cloud because the crew can't figure out how to go over it or under it (you know, like any fifth grader who builds model rockets can work out.)
My favorite TNG character getting killed by a talking oil slick.
There's a bunch more, but those are the biggies.
Next: Captain Jean-Luc Picard, an effete pacifist snob who was at least civilized enough to leave the swaggering and womanizing to his oak tree of First Officer.
Next: Captain Katheryn Janeway, an utter fool who managed to strand her ship 70,000 lightyears from home because she couldn't figure out "Leave charges on the array to blow it up AFTER we leave."
Any episode of any show where a FTL spaceship has to travel through a deadly gas cloud because the crew can't figure out how to go over it or under it (you know, like any fifth grader who builds model rockets can work out.)
My favorite TNG character getting killed by a talking oil slick.
There's a bunch more, but those are the biggies.
And what about the fact that one drop of that red matter sucks Vulcan into a black hole (however the red matter can be contained in a tank) PLEASE, give me a break. And then that whole tank of it breaks open in earth's solar system and all it sucks up is Nero's ship.
Yes. That one. Don't they have the equivalent of surge protectors in the future?
The words 'some kind of' should be banned from all scripts.
'Swiss Army Knife' characters. I know Seven used to be Borg, Data was an Android, The Doctor has a lot of info in his data base and Tom Paris is hyper competent for a normal human... but can't we share the wealth?
It's not an argument, it's what actually was depicted, so I'm not sure how you can characterize it as unconvincing. As far as I can tell, none of what happened was because of Naomi's intuition or knowledge.
Honestly, it's not significant enough to take any further, but I think there's a difference between being shown exactly the sequence of controls to deploy and simply remembering the string and carrying out the action, as in the former, and actually figuring out how to manipulate a control system on her own, as Naomi appears to do in the latter instance.
At the same time, while I know it wasn't the point you were originally illustrating, I would certainly concede that Naomi did seem to be very intelligent, perceptive, and displayed an interesting complexity of character for one so young.
Well, beyond the obvious conclusion that there wouldn't have been a series if Janeway had done that, it certainly could have been portrayed as what they attempted to do, but something (mechanical failure, Kazon intervention, miscalculation by Tuvok, etc.) could have simply prevented its successful execution, ending with the same result. This certainly would have made the establishment of the show's premise more plausible, though it would have probably served to further negate the Maquis complement's animosity towards Janeway, which as a planned for plot driver was pretty much eviscerated by the network as it was.
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