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Star Trek new trailer description (Spoilers of course?)

The only difference is that, with TMP, many people went multiple times over the many, many months it ran on the big screen. These days most people see a film once, then await the DVD.

Exactly, and of course the reason for this during the days of TMP is found in your post, as there wasn't really a "take home" source for movies at this time. The only other time you would see a movie outside of the theaters was during the 11:00 movie or what not. So it was probably best to see a movie as many times as you could then. Of course at this time I believe there were laserdiscs or maybe an early form of it. It is mentioned in the new Unofficial Trek Merchandise Book that a few Trek episodes were released this way and I believe around this time (open to correction or if anyone wants to elaborate, I am really interested in this stuff.) But it barely scratched the market enough to be considered a reasonable alternative at the time if I recall.
 
Clearly this Spock has no aversion to the touchy-feely stuff, hugging with Uhura and beating the crap out of Kirk (it's touching...in a way).

Maybe Spock'll get to say his most famous emotional line.....

All together now.....


THE WOMEN!


meh considering what saw in the cage i dont have trouble with that.
remember the grin.
:)
plus, if they remembered the thing from immunity sydrome were spock "felt" the deaths of the vulcans on the intrepid .can one imagine the effect of the deaths of all the vulcans on a planet will have on him.???

this could be why for awhile he is too messed up to take command after whatever takes pike out of the picture.

With the ‘enlist in Starfleet’ line you see an image of Kirk in a very large room full of cadets. Then cut to a shot of Kirk and Spock (at Academy) with Spock saying "you will experience fear, fear of certain death,"

makes me wonder if spock was acting as a guest instructor.
also sounds like the set up for koybashi maru.
 
Do we know for sure that the Kobayashi Maru test is in this movie? Has it been stipulated?

Just wondering, while it might be a travesty to show Kirk at the academy and NOT show the test, I realize it is only one movie with time constraints.
 
StarTrek1701, I've edited your post so that only a portion of the article is quoted.

We ask that you cite relevant sections, rather than reprinting the entire description verbatim, and provide a link to the remainder; in this way we don't run into stepping-on-copyright problems, and Anthony at TrekMovie gets the page-views on his site for the article and trailer summary which he wrote (which doesn't happen if the whole thing's right here.)

We want to treat our valuable sources of up-to-date Trek information fairly, you know? :)
Sorry. I already linked it in my post, so that wouldn't be enough? I didn't know, sorry. :)
No, your link was fine. :techman: It was the "reprinting the complete description" part that was the snag.
 
I know all about the fact that I won't be losing what has come already, (DVD's and such) but I find some of the changes that We have seen so for to be unnecessary and I believe that changing things just because one can changes things, isn't always a good thing.

So again...what are you losing?

"What has come already" is all that there is of TOS and it's all of the TOS that there ever could be, by definition.

Contemporary music is not the music that I grew up with. Sometimes I feel some melancholy about the changes in everything since I was a kid, but whatever I've lost really has nothing to do with the world being the world and everything continually changing because that is the nature of the world. What I've lost is simply that I'm aging, and sometimes I may stare into my navel too long on that account.
 
It'll be cool to see Jim's dad in this one. I'm also looking forward to McCoy's line and hopefully some new shots of the Enterprise.
 
I hope a lot! If ST XI brings in 'many new fans' in the same numbers as the other series/movies, it's not going to make near enough money.

I thought when the box office sales vs budget figures of TMP were adjusted for inflation, ST XI only has to succeed as well as TMP did to do well?

The only difference is that, with TMP, many people went multiple times over the many, many months it ran on the big screen. These days most people see a film once, then await the DVD.

Yes with inflation The Motionless Pictures results (both US and overseas) would be enough to break even (and perhaps slightly more) at the box office. But that is one out of all the Trek films. Voyage Home (did roughly as well, adjusted in the US, but far far worse overseas).

And lets be honest The motion Picture benefitted by Trek being an event film, one that benefited from being after Star Wars, Close Encounters and Superman.

Most of the people who go to the theaters or have watched the various shows at home are not die hard Trek fans. They're casual fans.

The hope is this film brings in a new round of casual viewers, with a good chuck of previous casual viewers.

Even during the height of Trek's popularity, the studio thought only a million hard core Trek fans were out there.

We can not be the main audience for any successful film. It is not financially possible. Even with a ten million dollar budget, we wouldn't be enough to pay for the film.

Its like Lord of the Rings. There are millions and millions of people who have read those books, but only a small handful that are true die hard fans of those books. They had to make the films so that all those casual people would and could appreciate those films. And they did it with rousing success. Were they always faithful? Not at all. But generally enough (in spirit and tone) to please most of the die had fans (though clearly not all), and succeeded beyond measure in casual and getting completely new fans.

You can achieve both, but the primary thrust (on a strictly financial side) has to be to the non and casual fan, and not the die hard. Not unless you want to fail.
 
But again, that feeling of losing something I've been really fond of for so many years, keeps creeping into my thoughts... :(
What are you losing? :confused:

I probably couldn't explain it to you so you'd understand, it's a just gut feeling I have.

I know all about the fact that I won't be losing what has come already, (DVD's and such) but I find some of the changes that We have seen so for to be unnecessary and I believe that changing things just because one can changes things, isn't always a good thing.

I think it's going to do more of a disservice to those of Us that have been loyal for so long.

I quoted this posting because it brought back a lot of memories for me. Before I get to my memories I just wanted to post a disclaimer that what I'm going to admit to is by no means a slam on daveyny. I'm going to take a few shots at myself for at some point in my life having feelings similar to his. It is not a backhanded way of slamming him or his post. Do we not agree that if I want to slam daveny that I am asshole enough to do it in an upfront way? Yes I think we all agree that I'm an asshole. ;) Now on with the show.

I was born in 1975. I started watching Classic Trek sometime in 1977. The first Trek movie I ever saw was TWOK during it's first airing on ABC sometime in... 1985 maybe? My first big screen Trek was TVH and it was the first movie I saw more than twenty times on the big screen.

You'd think that a man of my age would be a die-hard Next Generation fan because I was twelve years old when it air. By all rights it should be my Trek.

It's not. I am now and forever a Star Trek man. No bloody TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT for this kid. I needs my Kirk, Spock and McCoy. I need my Constitution Class Enterprise. I need my Klingons to be bad guys and my women to be green. I need my Star Trek to be retro. Not 80s cheese retro but 60s retro.

It was late at night when I heard the first announcement for a series called Star Trek: The Next Generation. It was very late. I was listening to the radio and not sleeping for whatever reason. It musta been around two or three a.m. when I got hit with the news. Needles to say I was excited.

Damn excited.

A brand new Star Trek series with Kirk, Spock and McCoy all aboard the Enterprise A! Kirk said: "Let's see what she's got".

New we were gonna see...

Or so I thought... ;)

You see the implications of The Next Generation were completely and utterly lost on me. All I hard was Star Trek and the faces and voices I saw and heard in my head were all I could imagine on a new Star Trek show.

A few months later I got my wakeup call.

I was in the local comic book store shopping for shoes and a raincoat when I came upon a fairly new article from our local newsrag. It was about TNG. My pulse quickened with excitement and I read the article from start to finish. It was as indepth as an article about a series in the early stage of production could get.

It acted as a real kick in the nuts to me.

This new series was not going to be the continuing adventures of Kirk, Spock and McCoy on the Enterprise A. It was going to be set 79 years in the future on a new Enterprise with a... with a...

With a new crew... ;)

I stood there for twenty minutes reading and rereading that article hoping that the words were going to change to reflect the reality that I wanted to exist in. I wanted the words Kirk, Spock and McCoy as well as Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley to magically appear on the paper. I wanted to know that the characters... the... the friends that I so cherished were going to return to me on a weekly basic...

It didn't happen.

No matter how much I wished it those words stubbornly refused to change to accomodate my dreams.

I felt a lump in my throat and my tongue tasted like Ivory soap... My breathing was becoming labored and I felt a tad dizzy... I left my raincoat and shoes unpurchased in the center of the aisle.

I had to leave before...

I rushed home. Avoided my mother and my father and locked myself in the bathroom where I proceeded...

...proceeded to cry like a little pussy baby.

Yes. At the age of 11 I cried like a little bitch over nothing more important than a stupid tv show but...

It was important to me.

At that age I had damned few friends but the crew of the Enterprise more than made up for them. They and their adventures were inspiring. Helped me to dream. Helped develop my imagination. Kirk, Spock and McCoy taught me so much. Much of my early morality was based on their teachings.

Christ I belong in Galaxy Quest. Really I do!

The news I read on that wall was like reading an obit for my friends and family members.

No more Star Trek. No more Star Trek movies. No more Kirk, Spock and McCoy. No Enterprise A. They were gone. Gone forever and I would never ever see them again. Even though it had been announced that Shatner was to direct Star Trek 5 it was clear that Star Trek was dead and buried by this announcement. It was The Next Generation from there on out.

I spent months taking every opportunity I had to take the piss out on TNG. When the names for the actors were announced I took the opportunity to watch movies they had done and slam the shit out of those movies.

The National Enquirer had described Levar Burton as: The new Spock.

I was livid. The new Spock? What was wrong with the old one? I looked into one of Burton's movies.

Levar Burton starring in Dummy. Apt description if you asked me.

Ooh I was petty. Patrick Stewart? He's a bald old fart. He'll keel over and have a heart attack the first time he fights a Klingon bare fisted. And who'll have sex with him? He's bald. And old. They shoulda got that handsome young Frakes guy to be the captain. He's young and kinda Shatnerry but...

Who the fuck was this Frakes? The first officer of the Enterprise who had a closer relationship with Picard than Kirk and Spock had?

Who the fuck did these people think they were? They murdered my friends and replaced them with these... these... amatuers!

My dad finally sat down with me to get to the bottom of why I launched into hyperbole fueld tirades each and every time the subject of TNG came up.

I spilled. The months of rage and heartache. Of friends lost to me forever. Of my eternal hatred towards the usurpers and assassins of my heroes.

"Get your head out of you ass," he shouted at me. "Kirk and Spock aren't going anywhere. Don't you remember they're making Star Trek 5? Just because there are new people on tv doesn't mean they're going to not make movies with the original characters anymore. Don't you know how much many Star Trek IV made? Don't you think Paramount knows how much Star Trek IV made? They know how much the original characters are worth. You've been pissing and moaning about nothing for six months now. GET. OVER. IT!"

My father and I never got on well. Most of his advice went unheeded because usually it was stupid.This advice was not stupid it was in fact...

Logical.

I felt my heart swell. Kirk, Spock and McCoy. My friends. They weren't going anywhere. I would see them on the big screen come Thanksgiving weekend of 1988 (which become summer of 89 thanks to the writer's strike) and I would have an exciting new series to pass the time with.

And maybe. Just maybe I would make new friends along the way.

It's been more than two decades and a lot has happened in the world of Trek.

I did enjoy TNG just as I enjoyed DS9. On the other hand I hated Voyager and Enterprise. I hated Voyager and Enterprise so much that it's tainted TNG and DS9 for me. I no longer enjoy those shows as I once did. Maybe it was a guilt by association kind of thing. Or maybe I've just outgrown TNG and DS9. Then again maybe I was just settling for TNG and DS9 because they were the only game in town because... because....

My worst childhood fears had come to pass. TNG had indeed killed Star Trek.

The Star Trek movies were ended to make way for TNG movies and Kirk was killed of in a weak but serviceable (for TNG anyway) way. At the time I didn't despair as I once would have because I was in my late teens by that time and I had other things going on but...

I got a little older and with age comes nostalgia and... The God Thing.

The God Thing is the fundamentalist Trek fan.. He hews to the text as written by ROD(enberry) and makes it clear to all assembeled what the ONE TRUE CANON OF TREK truly is. Seasons One and Two of Classic Trek, TMP and season one of TNG if I'm not mistaken.

Though I'm not as extreme in my Trekkian beliefs as TGT I admit that he influenced my thinking and helped bring me back to Star Trek basics. I realized that for me the one true Trek has and always will be Star Trek. Not Classic Trek. Not TOS. Star Trek. I no longer cared for the spinoffs but I truly loved the original 79 episodes, TAS and the first six movies though I'm proud to admit that when it came to Generations I used it as the starting point for a short story that I cashed in on just so I could undo the ill conceived death of Kirk.

Nothing wrong with taking the money and running especially if you get to say fuck you to a movie that you have little respect for and getting Paramount's official sanction to do so. :D

I felt that I had reached the point where I would no longer mourn the lack of new Star Trek with Kirk, Spock and McCoy and that I would look back and forever cherish their adventures and the lessons that they taught me and the companionship they provided a lonely kid.

Then I found out about this movie and...

No Shatner. No Nimoy and unless they somehow figured out how to restore life to dead flesh probably no Kelley.

Still... Kirk, Spock and McCoy together again for the first time. It's a provacative idea. A fun idea. A chance that damn few people ever get.

To meet your friends again and learn something new about them.

In short I've finally learned the lesson my father taught my over twenty years ago.

I finally got my head out of my ass and boy...

The air smells so sweet. :)
 
No offense taken...:)

It's funny, I had just the opposite reaction to the announcement of TNG.

I heard about it for the first time on Entertainment Tonight and was actually excited about the news.

I never felt that the TNG crew would be replacing the TOS crew.


Anyway, my problem with this movie isn't really that the actors are being replaced so much as just about everything else is being replaced, or so it seems to me from what has been released so far.

That's what I kinda-sorta find problematic.

I'm hoping that once I see the movie as a whole, I'll be more comfortable with all these changes, but at this point I just don't believe that ALL of them are necessary.

Some folks around here want a whole new Star Trek, I get that.

I guess what I would have like to have seen, were more aspects of the Original that are more clearly recognizable as a homage to what has come before.

They did something like this with the uniforms, staying much closer to the Original with just a bit of a tweak, why go so far out with everything else?
(I'm not really looking for an answer, I know it's a Done Deal so any answer given would be moot.)


I wasn't really a huge TRANSFORMERS fan back in the day, but I saw most of the cartoons and understood the story.

When I saw the recent movie, I thought it was pretty darn close to what the cartoons looked like, considering it was live-action.

I know they played around with the back-story and character bio's, but I thought they were dead-on with the look and transforming of the robots.

I guess I expected the Trek Movie to be more fateful to the look of the Original Series as the Transformer movie was.
 
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No offense taken...:)

It's funny, I had just the opposite reaction to the announcement of TNG.

I heard about it for the first time on Entertainment Tonight and was actually excited about the news.

I never felt that the TNG crew would be replacing the TOS crew.

Please note that I was about 11 years old at and was pretty hypersensitive at the time. Have you seen Unbreakable? I was like Bruce Willis's son in that movie. A cryin' little bitch. ;)
 
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No offense taken...:)

It's funny, I had just the opposite reaction to the announcement of TNG.

I heard about it for the first time on Entertainment Tonight and was actually excited about the news.

I never felt that the TNG crew would be replacing the TOS crew.

Please note that I was about 11 years old at the time and was pretty hypersensitive at the time. Have you seen Unbreakable? I was like Bruce Willis's son in that movie. A cryin' little bitch. ;)

What is it with that kid? I had to see him in GLADIATOR twice before I realized he wasn't a little girl.
 
You can complain all ya want & ignore it if ya wish, but once it hits the big screen's in May '09...


It's an Official Part of Trek Lore.
I'm looking forward to the film, but do you want to explain to me the difference between official fiction and unofficial fiction?
^ Why does JJ keep putting his penis in peoples childhoods? :(
Why do some people have to be so anal and condescending about other people feelings?
Penis... anal... heheheh...
 
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I'm not interested in an alternate Kirk. As far as I'm concerned the Tos Kirk was the best he could be. Why would they want to take a detour from that? It's a different universe but the same Kirk?
 
You can complain all ya want & ignore it if ya wish, but once it hits the big screen's in May '09...


It's an Official Part of Trek Lore.
I'm looking forward to the film, but do you want to explain to me the difference between official fiction and unofficial fiction?
^ Why does JJ keep putting his penis in peoples childhoods? :(
Why do some people have to be so anal and condescending about other people feelings?
Penis... anal... heheheh...
So that's why people are so anal.
 
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