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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x06 - "Terminal Provocations"
- Thread starter Commander Richard
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Interesting that "narratives should make sense" is a controversial statement that people have no problem openly disagreeing with.
It's impressive you've made it sound unreasonable but yes. I like the goofy and wacky nature of the show.
Is that controversial? I always felt Riker was a lot more military-minded and Picard more mentoring.
Where DID the tail go? I must know NOW!
Picard was generally depicted as someone who did not want to reveal his feelings, who was uptight, who kept a certain distance from his crew and so on. In I think it was "Allegiances" where he was kidnapped and replaced by a doppelganger, part of what gave it away was the doppelganger came to 10-Forward and led people in a drinking song. Of all the crew, I'd say only Beverly and Guinan were his actual friends. By which I mean, we saw or heard of him socializing ith them off-duty and not related to any official role or ship's function. And that he would confide in them or vice versa. Picard notably disliked children and wantd them kept away from him.
By contrast, Riker hung out in 10-Forward, invited folks over for poker, was friends with not just the senior staff, but went out of his way to try to get to know newcomers. It also seems to me that Riker self-consciously became an easy-going guy in response to his hard-charging admiral dad.
Given his more relaxed nature as a person, it seems hard for me to envision that his management style would be more uptight than Picard's.
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Different things are going to make sense (or not) to different people. For instance, you have said it doesn't make sense that Mariner knows about Troi's clothing habits. I disagree.
For me, it didn't make sense early on that Rutherford tried changing divisions so he could keep a "date" with Tendi when all he had to do was reschedule or apologize. That didn't bother a lot of people I talked to about the episode.
Even on those things where people might agree it doesn't make sense, there's room for disagreement on how much that matters. For some, the nonsensical thing might only matter if it's the premise as opposed to a minor part of the plot. For some, the nonsensical thing might not matter at all because it's a comedy cartoon and as such there should be more leeway than a serious live-action show.
You are, of course, right on the mark for all of these points. Some things I’ve noticed and others not until you mentioned them, particularly the gentle barbs at the fandom about technical arguments over things like warp core sounds. My concern is that the fandom rarely has a sense of humor about itself. The show runners are threading a potentially very thin line here and may find themselves accidentally alienating the more fragile members of that rather vast subculture if they push it a little too far in that direction.
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It made sense to me.
Him being all happy go lucky and helping people out was a mask for his true nature.
Upon reflection with an open mind, you will likely find that different people have different ideas about what "makes sense."
Personally, I would gently suggest to you that narratives make a lot more sense when you let go of the assumption what a character claims to care about is what they actually care about. To make a comparison that's relatively far removed from the particularities of Star Trek: Lower Decks: The 1997 film Chasing Amy is a film that makes no sense if you assume the surface-level presentations the characters make towards each other are truthful. If, on the other hand, you infer what the film wants you to infer -- that each and every one of the main characters is lying both to others and to themselves about their true motivations -- then the film makes perfect sense. This is doubly true when a given character is being presented from another character's POV instead of from his or her own POV.
Just something to bear in mind the next time you ponder why a character in a 20-minute cartoon seemed different at the end than he did at the beginning.
I seriously thought you were talking about Badgey for a minute before I realized you were talking about Fletcher. This observation holds true for both guest antagonists this week!
Stand in the place where you live...
I notice that they really enjoy Mexican food over on the Cerritos. I've seen Tendi eating tacos, and taco salad, now nachos and carnitas. I started to wonder if the Cerritos was really a Texas class ship. But they don't have any brisket and chicken fried steak.
What is a chu chu dance? I need to know more.
I hope we see more of the Trill helmswoman.
What is a chu chu dance? I need to know more.
I hope we see more of the Trill helmswoman.
It's an earlier form of the Chu Chu Chu Dance
A 6 for me.
had some funny bit, but IDK I'm so over the malfunctioning holodeck with killer AI trope that the whole 'Badgey' B story fell 100% flat.
I do like that they inferred Captain Riker is a real dick. A newly transferred ensign makes one little mistake and is immediately 'fired'. Guess we know deep down how Will Riker really feels about 'Reginald Barkley' like crewmen when Picard ain't calling the shots.
had some funny bit, but IDK I'm so over the malfunctioning holodeck with killer AI trope that the whole 'Badgey' B story fell 100% flat.
I do like that they inferred Captain Riker is a real dick. A newly transferred ensign makes one little mistake and is immediately 'fired'. Guess we know deep down how Will Riker really feels about 'Reginald Barkley' like crewmen when Picard ain't calling the shots.
Just saw it, brilliant episode!
Yes, it’s built on well known trek tropes, but I think it is for the better. And loved to see clippy make a comeback!
Starfleet should really redesign holodeck’s safety protocols from scratch: it can’t go awry all the time like this.
Also give better security training to their cadets: if someone is assaulted on the ship by an unknown party the first thing you must do is call security, even if it may get you in trouble.
Nice they refer to the Titan, hope to see it one day.
Yes, it’s built on well known trek tropes, but I think it is for the better. And loved to see clippy make a comeback!
Starfleet should really redesign holodeck’s safety protocols from scratch: it can’t go awry all the time like this.
Also give better security training to their cadets: if someone is assaulted on the ship by an unknown party the first thing you must do is call security, even if it may get you in trouble.
Nice they refer to the Titan, hope to see it one day.
I thought Badgey was the best part but thats mostly because he reminded me of Mr.D.N.A.A 6 for me.
had some funny bit, but IDK I'm so over the malfunctioning holodeck with killer AI trope that the whole 'Badgey' B story fell 100% flat.
I do like that they inferred Captain Riker is a real dick. A newly transferred ensign makes one little mistake and is immediately 'fired'. Guess we know deep down how Will Riker really feels about 'Reginald Barkley' like crewmen when Picard ain't calling the shots.
Funnily enough, Patton was a protege of Pershing. And Eisenhower served directly under Pershing as well (and also under MacArthur).
Its just a cartoon made for a bit of light fun so get over it
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