Haven't had a chance to watch this yet. Will be soon.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x05 - "Cupid's Errant Arrow"
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Zero idea of the point you're trying to make. Both captains in the previous episode did have California ships, yes. Which is why is was all the more important why there needed to be a reason for the Tellarite captain's decision - rivalry or whatever - but the episode gave us none.
As for the captain in the newest episode, it's not about having "nothing to prove." She was in the superior position and acted superior. That was a good idea rife with potential conflict that the episode totally dropped after one quick scene. Disappearing the captain who was "in charge" of the missions made no sense from a story point of view, as well.
Uh, the episode gave us a reason. They're captains of California class. What part of, "We need to distinguish ourselves because we're piloting crappy ships" is not understandbale?
They're competing because they're both at the bottom of Starfleet.
A California class vessel is....like captaining a Miranda.
Wow. I didn't expect to see DS9, complete with FC Uniforms.
Boimler thinks he's so cool in that leather jacket, necklaces, and shades.
But he's like George McFly. "You! Give me a milk! Chocolate!"
But he's like George McFly. "You! Give me a milk! Chocolate!"
I think that was the best episode yet. The whole thing with the diplomatic crisis felt like if more emotive people did half the TNG eps.
The only negative is again, Boimler is again the dumb guy who can’t attract a girl without chemical help. They need to give him something he actually excels at. Kind of like The Office was made better when they established Michael actually was a good salesman. He can’t just be the pathetic foil and be interesting.
The only negative is again, Boimler is again the dumb guy who can’t attract a girl without chemical help. They need to give him something he actually excels at. Kind of like The Office was made better when they established Michael actually was a good salesman. He can’t just be the pathetic foil and be interesting.
Barbara is like, "My God, he's so sexy!"
I totally believe that was a legit reaction to his outfit.
Gave it a 9. The visored plushie bear and the flowers were dropped twice and never picked up again....by anyone. Would have been cool if Rutherford had crawled out of an access tube, saw them lying there, and picked them up for Tendi.
Tendi: "Look what Rutherford just gave me!"
Mariner: "Hey, Brad, those flowers and that bear look migh-ty familiar!"
Boimler: "The salt vampire was forced to start killing people, because you took all of its salt away and rubbed it into every wound that you could find!!!"
Mariner: "Take me down to the parasite city, Where my ass is bare and the girls are pretty!"
Tendi: "Look what Rutherford just gave me!"
Mariner: "Hey, Brad, those flowers and that bear look migh-ty familiar!"
Boimler: "The salt vampire was forced to start killing people, because you took all of its salt away and rubbed it into every wound that you could find!!!"
Mariner: "Take me down to the parasite city, Where my ass is bare and the girls are pretty!"
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Goofiest one yet. I think that's what they're going for. On those terms: pretty good. This one let itself be what it is.
I love that Barbara was as suspicious of Mariner as Mainer was suspicious of her.
I love that Barbara was as suspicious of Mariner as Mainer was suspicious of her.
None of that is set up and to say that it's automatically "implied" because they both happen pilot the same class of starship is utterly absurd. That doesn't mean a damn thing and it doesn't mean that their default relationship automatically means they're in competition. This is a complete fabrication in your mind.
And, no, there is absolutely nothing in the text that suggests that a California ship is a "crappy ship." That was in the pre-release materials that isn't actually supported by the text whatsoever.
All we know is that they do some missions that are fairly dull and/or less glamorous. But the Enterprise in TNG did plenty of routine missions, too.
It's established in the next episode (the ship is falling apart), the first episode (We don't do First Contact), and supplemental material ("The worst ship in Starfleet").
I hated last week’s but this week’s episode was my favorite episode so far. I gave it a 9.
I missed that that was DS9 in Mariner’s flashback. I watched it on my phone so I missed it. I’ll have to go back and look harder for it.
I missed that that was DS9 in Mariner’s flashback. I watched it on my phone so I missed it. I’ll have to go back and look harder for it.
I have a feeling I'll be rewatching these down the line, but I'm going with an 8 once again, in the most positive way. The black junk sensor bars brought Borat to mind for a split second...
Supplemental material doesn't count. The ship is hardly "falling apart." And doing "second contact" also doesn't mean you're "the worst", just not the best.
The show has failed to deliver on the premise of "the worst ship in starfleet." So far, it's just....a regular ship that does missions of moderate to moderately high importance.
A. The people in Starfleet are certainly better educated than the average person of today and probably better educated than the elite of today. They don't have to devote energy to things like making a living and can study things for love of studying them, and they have access to computers and better resources to study.
B. So far, we are talking about their knowledge of Starfleet history. In live-action Star Trek, there have been references to people having taken a class in Starfleet history, and as members of Starfleet, they presumably would be extra interested in the subject anyway. So the proper comparison would be if a West Point graduate would know about American military figures from the past like Generals Grant and Sherman. And the answer is...probably. (By contrast, it is one of my pet peeves when people from the Orville know about 21st century American pop culture. With centuries of additional Earth pop culture, plus the entire histories of the other races in and out of the Planetary Union, there's no way someone should be a Journey fan.)
C. So far, the historical references have not been to all that obscure Starfleet figures or that long ago. Kirk and Spock are canonically legends; Spock is still alive in the time frame of LD, I believe, and Kirk had been just killed in like the last 10ish years in Generations. One has to think that there would be a long portion of Academy training that is dedicated to Kirk specifically. Sulu would also be pretty well known as a senior staffer on Kirk's Enterprise and a captain in his own right when Praxis blew up; that he was a sword guy is maybe a little more obscure. Gary Mitchell is a little more of a stretch, but Boimler didn't know who he was. With 100 years having passed, even if Gary Mitchell had started off as classified, there would have been plenty of time for it to have become declassified. Trip Tucker is famous enough as a member of the first deep-space Earth crew that there is canonically at least one holoprogram featuring him, according to "These Are the Voyages." Now if they start going for deeper cuts like Random MACO #2, then maybe that would be less believable.
As for Roddenberry, I know that he has an idealistic vision of the future, but what was on screen in TOS had ample situations of people driven by ego and bigotry. The Starfleet bureaucrat who wanted to pull rank on Kirk in "The Trouble with Tribbles," the fact that women couldn't be captains in "Turnabout Intruder," the treatment of Vulcans by numerous members of the crew from McCoy on down to the Galileo Seven to Styles in Balance of Terror.
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I gave it a 7.
No cold open for the first time , but made me enjoy the opening credits more.
The pace is still too hectic and characters still talk too fast.
The funniest part was the bleeped out F bombs from the Captain when she found out only 2 people lived on the other planet.
No cold open for the first time , but made me enjoy the opening credits more.
The pace is still too hectic and characters still talk too fast.
The funniest part was the bleeped out F bombs from the Captain when she found out only 2 people lived on the other planet.
In the same post, you say that the supplemental material doesn't count and then talk about the premise established in the supplemental material. So...which is it?
If we don't care about the supplemental material, then it doesn't matter that the show doesn't live up to the premise established by the supplemental material. If we do, then it is just established fact that it is the worst ship in Starfleet even if that is still pretty good.
In terms of what has been shown in episodes, "Temporal Edict" established that the ship is pretty poorly managed. A ship that can turn into a wreck with acid pouring through floors and underarmed aliens able to invade after five days of micromanagement is not in good shape. In the latest episode, we are shown that plasma fires and smokiness is par for the course in addition to being told that the ship has some light-years on her and is being barely held together.
Gene's vision changed multiple times and was influenced by some of the greatest sci-fi writers of both the Sixties and Nineties. I find that a good argument to it is this:
"It is not Gene's vision."
"No, we're going with DC Fontana's this episode."
As for the references, my assumption is that they're substituting Trek historical ones for pop culture references because this is the style of Joss Whedon. Rapid fire references to things like Flying Monkeys, Point Break, and so on like in the Avengers. Except it's all Star Trek stuff in this show.
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