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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x05 - "Cupid's Errant Arrow"

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Pretty good episode. I liked seeing the FC uniform and DS9. Shame the girl dumped Boimler.
The jacket was pretty cool but it needed more zippers.
Looks like we are getting TOS ships next week. Can’t wait.
 
Okay, the Trip Tucker reference was good. I'd been waiting for a direct ENT reference since the series started and they went with a good one.

In a meta/break the 4th wall sort of way I agree with you. The references are great chuckles for the audience.

From a "this is a supposed to be canon and not satire" point of view, these constant references to past Trek's are illogical, unrealistic, and take me out of the moment.

Because, you know, each week the average person always references historical or semi-historical (in the sense that they are common Joes not in history books) from 200 years ago. Like each week we here someone at work refer to some random foot soldier or ship's officer from the 1820s.

And I'd think some of this stuff would still be classified, like Gary Mitchell.

As a satire of Trek, I love this show. And, yes, it is not Gene's vision. Roddenberry's mandate that humans worked out their problems and none of our main characters ever have conflict with each other has been completely tossed out the window. These are people who have petty jealousies and competitive egos. It's awesome.
 
In a meta/break the 4th wall sort of way I agree with you. The references are great chuckles for the audience.

From a "this is a supposed to be canon and not satire" point of view, these constant references to past Trek's are illogical, unrealistic, and take me out of the moment.

Because, you know, each week the average person always references historical or semi-historical (in the sense that they are common Joes not in history books) from 200 years ago. Like each week we here someone at work refer to some random foot soldier or ship's officer from the 1820s.

And I'd think some of this stuff would still be classified, like Gary Mitchell.

As a satire of Trek, I love this show. And, yes, it is not Gene's vision. Roddenberry's mandate that humans worked out their problems and none of our main characters ever have conflict with each other has been completely tossed out the window. These are people who have petty jealousies and competitive egos. It's awesome.

Mariner knew who Gary Mitchell was, but Boimler didn't, and said he would look him up, which is a nice touch. Trip Tucker is a very obscure reference (neglecting the fact that he was Chief Engineer on the first Warp 5 ship, meaning he has quite a bit of historical value to him, regardless of his potential martyrdom on the eve of the Federation), but Riker and Troi knew all about Tucker 10 years prior and it seems Enterprise is the subject of popular holodrama. I have no doubt that Tucker is much more well-known than Gary Mitchell.
 
In a meta/break the 4th wall sort of way I agree with you. The references are great chuckles for the audience.

From a "this is a supposed to be canon and not satire" point of view, these constant references to past Trek's are illogical, unrealistic, and take me out of the moment.

Because, you know, each week the average person always references historical or semi-historical (in the sense that they are common Joes not in history books) from 200 years ago. Like each week we here someone at work refer to some random foot soldier or ship's officer from the 1820s.

And I'd think some of this stuff would still be classified, like Gary Mitchell.

As a satire of Trek, I love this show. And, yes, it is not Gene's vision. Roddenberry's mandate that humans worked out their problems and none of our main characters ever have conflict with each other has been completely tossed out the window. These are people who have petty jealousies and competitive egos. It's awesome.

That’s why I believe in my head canon that this is a show within the Star Trek universe for cadets and not “actual” events happening within the universe. The references are just too much. Just like a lot of novels I have read. I don’t even know why I’m watching at this point.
 
More questions, as Docent listed past missions of the Vancouver, he mentioned that the crew of the starship had murdered an individual of the past who was worse than Adolf Hitler. Would this be the first time we heard of Starfleet ordering one of their ships on an assassination mission and would this be a violation of their principles regarding time travel?

Time travel missions are often unexpected, so this could be a predestination paradox/time loop. But I haven't figured out the particulars.

I don't understand why a fancy tricorder is such a big deal. Can't the replicator poop that stuff out as soon as a design is put in?

The key here is "as soon as a design is put in" on your ship. Starfleet R&D comes up with a new toy that everyone is buzzing about but it would only be issued to a few ships for field testing before being rolled out to the rest of the fleet. Both the Purple stripe Tricorder and the Scanner were being tested by ships other than the Cerritos.
 
Most of the little references at face value are fine. Contemporary references (mostly Enterprise-E, Picard & Worf stuff) are great, because those guys are pop culture icons of the day and just saved Earth (again) some months ago. Historical references seem to center around Kirk (already established as legendary and, btw, came back from the dead and then died again 9 years ago) and his crew. Quite reasonably, Burnham and the Discovery have never been mentioned, which is good because they're well-CLASSIFIED. The reference to Trip Tucker is also fine, as explained above.

It's the totality of evidence that raises eyebrows (like Spock!). They've mentioned Kirk in three out of five episodes. They've mentioned the Enterprise-E twice, Q twice, it just seems a little incredulous the amount of references to things we know vs. major events and characters we don't.
 
More questions, as Docent listed past missions of the Vancouver, he mentioned that the crew of the starship had murdered an individual of the past who was worse than Adolf Hitler. Would this be the first time we heard of Starfleet ordering one of their ships on an assassination mission and would this be a violation of their principles regarding time travel?

It could be like on Enterprise when Archer fought alien nazis. I just assume the guy they were assassinating (or "stopping by any means necessary") was a time traveler attempting to take Hitler's place or expand on his programs. It could be also that Docent doesn't know the full extent of the mission, and that was just his after-the-fact takeaway.
 
okay-ish episode, dragged a little but was fun inbetween

so far I like most of the characters, but Boimler has the potential to get very annoying from time to time
 
It's the totality of evidence that raises eyebrows (like Spock!). They've mentioned Kirk in three out of five episodes. They've mentioned the Enterprise-E twice, Q twice, it just seems a little incredulous the amount of references to things we know vs. major events and characters we don't.

I mean, I get Mariner is a nerd for these things. But there have to have been other famous captains to geek out about as well. Or things they did in-universe which are famous we never got to see.

Actually, that would be awesome...if she did "Remember when the Enterprise..." and it was something that never happened onscreen. It would be canon some incredible absurd adventure happened that would have made for a fantastic episode...only it wasn't an episode.
 
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