Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x01 - "Second Contact"

[Nerys Myk]

In other words, insufferable tight-asses?

Well they don't poop, so yeah.

 

[fireproof78]

So, if we're still obviously using phrases and colloquialisms dating many hundreds of years in the past (most of us, without even realizing it), why can't the characters of Trek?

Too reasonable for this discussion.

 

[137th Gebirg]

In the future, I promise I'll try to remember not to confuse the issue further with facts.

 

[Noname Given]

I think it depends on the episode. Certainly there are times when junior officers get ignored, or felt brushed off.

Hence: "SHUT UP, WESLEY!"

 

[KennyB]

Terminology from hundreds of years ago still exists to this day.

Cases in point: "Hoodwinked", being "on the level", a "square deal", giving someone "the Third Degree", getting "black balled", and so on, are all from Ancient Craft Freemasonry that became an official entity in 1717 (over 300 years ago), and certainly existed in a lesser-organized form for at least another hundred before that (some say as far back as the 1500's - the oldest known Masonic Lodge, No. 1 Edinburgh has documents dating back to 1599 - others like to go back to King Athalstan at the turn of the previous millennium - early-mid 900's - for the ancient founding of the York Rite), but then the history of the origins gets a little murky and left open to interpretation, which is a whole other discussion. This glossary of Masonic expressions in pop culture has a good breakdown.

So, if we're still obviously using phrases and colloquialisms dating many hundreds of years in the past (most of us, without even realizing it), why can't the characters of Trek?

SMIB

 

[Tuskin38]

Hence: "SHUT UP, WESLEY!"

I thought he was just a civilian at that point :P

 

[137th Gebirg]

SMIB

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[Phil123]

I liked it more than I thought I would. Ship, design and feel is very faithful to TNG. Adultish animated style characters might taking getting used to in a trek setting, but I feel like it might watch episodes again, something I struggle with Disco and Picard with their serialised style.

Saddest part for me is that is it’s not a more serious live action version, set in classic TNG era.

 

[Noname Given]

I thought he was just a civilian at that point :P

Well, considering (per Picard) that: "No one cares/worries about money (IE no one is paid of HAS to work) - and "Everyone just works to better themselves..."

Why WOULDN'T they pay attention to a hyper-intelligent 14 year old who knows the ship and it's systems probably better then (in Universe at the time) a 70+ year old Captain...

 

[NCC-73515]

Anything is possible, but I'd suggest it's more likely just a reference to the fact that we always see the doctors waving little devices with a light on the end over wounds.

Oh really XD

 

[Tim Thomason]

Well, considering (per Picard) that: "No one cares/worries about money (IE no one is paid of HAS to work) - and "Everyone just works to better themselves..."

Why WOULDN'T they pay attention to a hyper-intelligent 14 year old who knows the ship and it's systems probably better then (in Universe at the time) a 70+ year old Captain...

Wesley was 15 when he arrived on the Enterprise and about 22 when he showed up in Season 7. Picard was 58-59 in the first season and 64-65 in the seventh. He turned 70 probably shortly before Star Trek: Insurrection (when Wesley would've been around 27, wherever he was).

 

[BillJ]

On her way back during an "escape" to get back in Fed space she is killed and Picard acknowledges this by honoring her over a ship-wide message. He doesn't just shrug and say Geordi did a he'll of a job directing that ensign on how to damage the shuttle!

It's this show wanting to point out and make fun of a Trek Trope that, frankly, I don't think exists!

They are different crews and different stories. Cut it a bit of slack, humanity doesn’t act in lockstep.

 

[Campe]

They are different crews and different stories. Cut it a bit of slack, humanity doesn’t act in lockstep.

What? We're not a collective consciousness? We're not sheeple?

 

[Trekker4747]

Terminology from hundreds of years ago still exists to this day.

Cases in point: "Hoodwinked", being "on the level", a "square deal", giving someone "the Third Degree", getting "black balled", and so on, are all from Ancient Craft Freemasonry that became an official entity in 1717 (over 300 years ago), and certainly existed in a lesser-organized form for at least another hundred before that (some say as far back as the 1500's - the oldest known Masonic Lodge, No. 1 Edinburgh has documents dating back to 1599 - others like to go back to King Athalstan at the turn of the previous millennium - early-mid 900's - for the ancient founding of the York Rite), but then the history of the origins gets a little murky and left open to interpretation, which is a whole other discussion. This glossary of Masonic expressions in pop culture has a good breakdown.

So, if we're still obviously using phrases and colloquialisms dating many hundreds of years in the past (most of us, without even realizing it), why can't the characters of Trek?

Because it's never happened to this degree before and now all of the sudden they're acting like 21st Century American Millennials. It just looks and feels odd to see characters in this setting doing chest bumps and finger-snap&points.

And again, people go off with I, and, others saying there should be no humor, pooping, etc. Which it isn't what were saying, but sure take it to the ultimate degree.

I'm just saying the tone and difference is stark and doesn't feel right. It being a cartoon is not an excuse. I say it's poor writing when the only way you can write your characters in a 24th Century setting is to have them all behave like 21st Century people. Again, somehow, previous Trek series have managed good characters, stories and drama without having them behave like their contemporaries. Using the random bit of slang here and there is one thing but an entire set of mannerisms is another.

We use outdated slang but don't behave like people did when that slang was coined.

 

[BillJ]

We use outdated slang but don't behave like people did when that slang was coined.

You'd be surprised. A hundred years ago during the Spanish Flu pandemic, you had people fighting about masks and freedom. The saying “the more things change the more they stay the same” seems apt here.

 

[BillJ]

I was out for a bit today, and my son showed the episode to his Grandma, and she loved it.

 

[137th Gebirg]

We use outdated slang but don't behave like people did when that slang was coined.

You’ve heard of Goths and Steampunks right? Those subcultures live, eat and breathe in the Victorian era.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I have not seen the episode yet, however I wanted to drop in and see if some Trek fans were complaining about the episode. They are - thus all is well and right in the universe. Thank you for that reassurance.

 

[BillJ]

I have not seen the episode yet, however I wanted to drop in and see if some Trek fans were complaining about the episode. They are - thus all is well and right in the universe. Thank you for that reassurance.

I think it is definitely worth sampling, if you don’t take your Trek too seriously.

 

[fireproof78]

I have not seen the episode yet, however I wanted to drop in and see if some Trek fans were complaining about the episode. They are - thus all is well and right in the universe. Thank you for that reassurance.

You can set your watch by it.