Because its Kurtzman era Trek and therefor it is bad...
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x01 - "Second Contact"
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Kurtzman-era Trek doing Berman-era Trek, no less. SACRILEGE!Because its Kurtzman era Trek and therefor it is bad...
Oh yes.. Tendi is the excited fan, Mariner is the crazy fan with "pointless" knowledge...
So, one of the beats in the episode is the senior staff always taking three credit while ignoring the junior officers. Do they?
Most cases I think of the captain thanks his entire crew. Sure, while beaming proudly at those on the bridge but he can't go around the ship thanking everyone personally.
Let's pick an episode almost at random. TNG's S7 "Lower Decks" ... Huh that's odd. Anyway episode focuses on four junior officers as the main crew is mostly in the background. Speck of a coincidence, I know!
In the episode the main crew has to get a Cardassian double agent remembeded with the Card I government and to do so they send him off in a "stolen" shuttle with a Bajoean prisoner, one of the junior officers we've been focusing on.
On her way back during an "escape" to get back in Fed space she is killed and Picard acknowledges this by honoring her over a ship-wide message. He doesn't just shrug and say Geordi did a hell of a job directing that ensign on how to damage the shuttle!
It's this show wanting to point out and make fun of a Trek Trope that, frankly, I don't think exists!
Most cases I think of the captain thanks his entire crew. Sure, while beaming proudly at those on the bridge but he can't go around the ship thanking everyone personally.
Let's pick an episode almost at random. TNG's S7 "Lower Decks" ... Huh that's odd. Anyway episode focuses on four junior officers as the main crew is mostly in the background. Speck of a coincidence, I know!
In the episode the main crew has to get a Cardassian double agent remembeded with the Card I government and to do so they send him off in a "stolen" shuttle with a Bajoean prisoner, one of the junior officers we've been focusing on.
On her way back during an "escape" to get back in Fed space she is killed and Picard acknowledges this by honoring her over a ship-wide message. He doesn't just shrug and say Geordi did a hell of a job directing that ensign on how to damage the shuttle!
It's this show wanting to point out and make fun of a Trek Trope that, frankly, I don't think exists!
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I think it depends on the episode. Certainly there are times when junior officers get ignored, or felt brushed off.
The point , I guess is that bridge characters are suposed to be types who in the actual ST series would be center of the attention, while the ensigns would be acknowledged, but mostly existing as cameos. So this is exaggerated situation that wants to bang us over our heads with fact that ensigns should be ones we actually celebrating as our representatives. Yes, it´s probably going to be a little forced.
I agree the trope doesn't exist though maybe it's a kind holdover effect from the red shirt stuff. Not sure if they were going for that. I just think the characters are suppose to be sort of in your face and edgy or edgy to the levels you are going to go with a show you want kids to watch.
Jason
But........GENE’S VISION!!!!!
This! I liked it. It was enjoyable. I’m excited for the next one.
I don't think that's what the show is actually doing. The senior staff of the Cerritos might not give credit where it's due, but it isn't ever suggested that this is a characteristic of all senior staff in Starfleet.
Here's a key exchange between Boimler and Mariner, just before they beam back to the ship:
They're very clearly discussing their senior staff specifically and no one else, and we can infer that Mariner is speaking from a place of resentment towards her mother, the captain. She's also the only character in the main cast who attempts to downplay the significance and intregrity of the senior staff/bridge crew. There's definitely a degree of meta-commentary going on with this show, but that doesn't mean everything that happens is necessarily a comment on the entire franchise.
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Terminology from hundreds of years ago still exists to this day.
Cases in point: "Hoodwinked", being "on the level", a "square deal", giving someone "the Third Degree", getting "black balled", and so on, are all from Ancient Craft Freemasonry that became an official entity in 1717 (over 300 years ago), and certainly existed in a lesser-organized form for at least another hundred before that (some say as far back as the 1500's - the oldest known Masonic Lodge, No. 1 Edinburgh has documents dating back to 1599 - others like to go back to King Athalstan at the turn of the previous millennium - early-mid 900's - for the ancient founding of the York Rite), but then the history of the origins gets a little murky and left open to interpretation, which is a whole other discussion. This glossary of Masonic expressions in pop culture has a good breakdown.
So, if we're still obviously using phrases and colloquialisms dating many hundreds of years in the past (most of us, without even realizing it), why can't the characters of Trek?
Cases in point: "Hoodwinked", being "on the level", a "square deal", giving someone "the Third Degree", getting "black balled", and so on, are all from Ancient Craft Freemasonry that became an official entity in 1717 (over 300 years ago), and certainly existed in a lesser-organized form for at least another hundred before that (some say as far back as the 1500's - the oldest known Masonic Lodge, No. 1 Edinburgh has documents dating back to 1599 - others like to go back to King Athalstan at the turn of the previous millennium - early-mid 900's - for the ancient founding of the York Rite), but then the history of the origins gets a little murky and left open to interpretation, which is a whole other discussion. This glossary of Masonic expressions in pop culture has a good breakdown.
So, if we're still obviously using phrases and colloquialisms dating many hundreds of years in the past (most of us, without even realizing it), why can't the characters of Trek?
Because they are perfect beings who don't swear, poop or use colloquialisms.
I mean, in Schisms Picard forgets that one of his crew died by the end of the episode.
Extremely perfect beings who don't create either and are completely baffled by the barbarism of 21st century humans. Shakespeare is the only acceptable form of art.
In other words, insufferable tight-asses?
And Jazz, but only Dixieland.
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