It wouldnt be Star Trek without communicators (and the fact they now receive text messages is a nice touch) and how do you think tablets and other computers will evolve over the next 200 years? They will become more advanced but should still look similar if not just smaller.
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..."I decided then from the character that I read [Spock] that I wanted to be very much like that character but in a feminine way. And Gene said, and I was sharing this with George [Takei] the other day, when I told him that I thought of Spock as my mentor. Because if you remember Uhura was the only one he was able to teach the Vulcan lyre to(*) and he sang and spooffed on Spock. Now, you could have never had a love scene in 63 between Uhura and Spock but there were several hints and [back to Roddenberry] Gene was one in the kind of beginning to follow that and he wanted to do episodes if we had gone past the third year" - Nichelle Nichols TrekFest 09 in Riverside, Iowaadding to the scenes already listed here, one that is often underrated is the one from the episode “Is There in Truth No Beauty?”. Kollos addresses Kirk, McCoy and Uhura as Spock knows them:
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Deleted scene from “Elaan of Troyius”
http://www.startrekhistory.com/DS1.html
Spock: This is delightful! I know you! All of you!
James Kirk, captain and friend for many years.
And Leonard McCoy also of long acquaintance.
And Uhura, whose name means “freedom.” She walks in beauty like the night.
McCoy: [to Kirk] That’s not Spock!
Spock: Are you surprised to find that I’ve read Byron, doctor?
McCoy: [to Kirk] That’s Spock!
what is interesting about this is that unless you think that Kollos could be so familiar with ancient earth poetry and he could know that "Uhura" comes from the Swahili (ancient earth language) word uhuru that means "freedom", you now know that Spock looked for the meaning of her name and he reads poetry in regards to her. (and after all Kirk and McCoy are really his friends too, no?)
I don't think people are saying there was a Spock/Uhura thing in tos and they don't need to prove anything here to validate the romance being canon in the reboot that is an alternate reality
I think that people are simply saying that the idea of them together isn't so "crazy" and non canon because there were hints even in the old trek that:
a- they were attracted to each other
b- it could have been an idea that the tos writers had too but due to the time being too racist and bigot they gave up.
So it isn't so far fetched to put them in an actual relationship in an alternate reality where they met each other under different circumstances, sooner and younger than in the prime timeline.
You know that thing called "what if?" This is what alternate realities should be for.
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..."I decided then from the character that I read [Spock] that I wanted to be very much like that character but in a feminine way. And Gene said, and I was sharing this with George [Takei] the other day, when I told him that I thought of Spock as my mentor. Because if you remember Uhura was the only one he was able to teach the Vulcan lyre to(*) and he sang and spooffed on Spock. Now, you could have never had a love scene in 63 between Uhura and Spock but there were several hints and [back to Roddenberry] Gene was one in the kind of beginning to follow that and he wanted to do episodes if we had gone past the third year" - Nichelle Nichols TrekFest 09 in Riverside, Iowaadding to the scenes already listed here, one that is often underrated is the one from the episode “Is There in Truth No Beauty?”. Kollos addresses Kirk, McCoy and Uhura as Spock knows them:
(*)
Deleted scene from “Elaan of Troyius”
http://www.startrekhistory.com/DS1.html
Spock: This is delightful! I know you! All of you!
James Kirk, captain and friend for many years.
And Leonard McCoy also of long acquaintance.
And Uhura, whose name means “freedom.” She walks in beauty like the night.
McCoy: [to Kirk] That’s not Spock!
Spock: Are you surprised to find that I’ve read Byron, doctor?
McCoy: [to Kirk] That’s Spock!
what is interesting about this is that unless you think that Kollos could be so familiar with ancient earth poetry and he could know that "Uhura" comes from the Swahili (ancient earth language) word uhuru that means "freedom", you now know that Spock looked for the meaning of her name and he reads poetry in regards to her. (and after all Kirk and McCoy are really his friends too, no?)
I don't think people are saying there was a Spock/Uhura thing in tos and they don't need to prove anything here to validate the romance being canon in the reboot that is an alternate reality
I think that people are simply saying that the idea of them together isn't so "crazy" and non canon because there were hints even in the old trek that:
a- they were attracted to each other
b- it could have been an idea that the tos writers had too but due to the time being too racist and bigot they gave up.
So it isn't so far fetched to put them in an actual relationship in an alternate reality where they met each other under different circumstances, sooner and younger than in the prime timeline.
You know that thing called "what if?" This is what alternate realities should be for.
If the klingon neutrtal zone/homeworld were that close, the klingons would have invaded long ago. Its practically on the federation's doorstep. Based on how long it took the Enterprise to get from their to earth its actually probably closer to Earth than Vulcan was in the first JJ Trek movie. Also, warp is not like going down a river, and you cannot be knocked out of some stupid "warp stream" like what the dreadnought did to the JJprise.
If that's how far the Klingon Empire expands, then I can't understand what makes them a great threat. Heck, they don't even intercept the stolen ship that Kirk drives until it's in their own atmosphere! Talk about poor planetary defense.
It's his opinion, and this is the place for him to have posted it. Now that he's watched the movie at last, it's reassuring to know that kirk555555's review is consistent with the grade he voted in the poll many months ago.
I will give you the Khan scream and rip off scene of Kirk's death as been far from great but saying Pine, Saldana and Zachary are horrible actors is not criticism. It is not even bad criticism. it is hate speech.
If there is anything both JJ Trek's film has been praised for is how the acting is always excellent and how the ensemble cast are all brilliant and work together well.
You are so talking out of spite and hate.
This exactly expresses my position, too.
Perhaps the Kelvin incident changed her father, and thereby the relationship he had with her, which in turn altered the course of her life.
kirk55555 said:
kirk55555 said:
kirk55555 said:
This exactly expresses my position, too.
And, thanks for the observation about Is There In Truth No Beauty? Your point about that episode is something that's absolutely clear in hindsight, but which I had failed to notice.
Perhaps the Kelvin incident changed her father, and thereby the relationship he had with her, which in turn altered the course of her life.
Try TOS, where moving at warp looked exactly the same as moving at impulse.
I read your review, kirk55555. Strong stuff.
Do you know there's a message board here on the BBS that is great for this type of discussion. It's in a place called The Neutral Zone. Strong discussion, and a thread about STiD as well. I think you'd like it!
Go up to the top left-hand corner of this page to "User CP" and click. On that page, scroll down on the left-hand side for "Group Memberships" and click. Then click to join The Neutral Zone and you're in. It's that easy!
Hope to see you there, buddy!
I'm not wild about it, personally. A little too close to baiting for my liking.Oh this should go down well
Funny enough, I liked ST09 better than this cluster f of a movie. The writing was a joke, and the acting was at times too. A real waste.I just saw the movie. Is's another horrible JJ Trek film. First, I'll name the few good things in this movie. Simon Pegg, Karl Urban, Lenonard Nimoy and Benedict Cumberbatch are good actors, and did well with what they had. Cumberbatch was cast horribly as Khan, but he's a good actor and did as well as he could with the role. As for scenes I liked, it was hilarious when Kirk was trying to beat up Khan, and Khan weasn't effected at all.
Now that the positive is out of the way, I'll talk about the negative. This isn't all the negative stuff, and I'm not going through the whole story, but these are just things that come to mind. The overall story was fairly stupid. Kirk being relieved of command was fairly pointless, and (just as a relevant tech thing) a ship as big as the JJ Prise is not going to be traveling in gravity, much less act as a submarine.
There were a few scenes where I think the bad tech officially went from "only fans will get angry" to "makes no sense regardless of wether you care about it or not". The klingon neutral zone is far away from Starfleet, yet you can not only teleport there with a small module made of bullshit. It was stupid when it happened in the first movie, at this point, scotty's "formula" has basically made transporting over almost unlimited distance possible, although to be fair the Klingon homeworld, as shown in the movie, is apparently only a 5 minute warp trip away. So, I guess iuts not that far to transport
When it comes to the villains, the klingons looked horrible. They've never looked that bad before, this is easily the worst make up job they ever had. Khan was acted as well as he could, and he was slightly interesting, but he wasn't very similar to the actual Khan. He was just a smart villain with the same name.The dreadnought was a weird idea, and there is no way in hell it could be flown by one guy. Admiral Marcus's plan was stupid, and he was a moron. Starting a war with klingon's because...it was going to happen eventually anyway? In Star Trek VI, similar thinking made sense in the context of the movie. In this case, he was obviously crazy, and I have no idea how he could build a huge Starship in the solar system with no info being leaked at all.
Just for the record, The Wrath of Khan is my favorite movie of all time. so, ripping off its ending really pissed me off more than most. That said, I don't think I've read many review, even positive ones, were anyone thought that rip off (with Spock's "KHAAAAAAAAAN" scream) was a good idea. The magic blood was a complete cop out, and really stupid. I really wish they had just killed Pine off. that would have been awesome.
Now, for characters I haven't mentioned. Pine, Quinto and Saldanna were, once again, the unholy trinity of horrible actors. They don't have any ability to act at all and that, combined with being badly written characters, was a terrible combination. Spock/Uhura's little lover's spat was particularly annoying. Spock was also super emotional for what felt like half the movie. I wish old Spock had been on the ship to slap his whiny other universe self. I also have no idea how the Kelvin exploding made Carol Marcus not only like Star Fleet but be an officer, but besides that she was fairly bland and I didn't care about her one way or another.
Overall, while this was horrible, it was slightly better than the first one. Partially because I had no expectations for it being good, and partly because a few slightly interesting things did happen. The special effects were decent, and even if the warp core looked like a bunch of car engines stuck together atleast it looked like an actual room instead of a pipe maze sometimes.
I gave the movie an F in the poll, and if I were to give it a numbered grade, it would be a 2/10 (which is better than ST09's 0/10).
. And the whole reverse death scene with Kirk getting killed instead of Spock, was just bad period.
. Now he's all good... the new one gets on my nerves SO much 
.I would have given the film about the same score. It was a HUGE disappointment.
As for the good characters, I liked Spock, Bones and Scotty out of the whole lot. And I really didn't like how they used Chekov as a throw away character.
As for Kirk, they made him into an utterly brainless idiot. Preferred the old school Kirk a LOT more (OMG, hell has frozen over... I used to HATE Captain Kirk with a passion
-- but I'll take old school over new, due to their bumbling handling in terms of characterization).
One of the few funny moments in the film was where Kirk was with the two alien women, and rap music was playing when he was making out with them
One thing that stood out to me was at the beginning of the movie when Kirk and Spock dove into the water to get back to the ship. Now how in the world were they able to dive SO deep without assistance? It just made no real sense...
