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STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS - Grading & Discussion [SPOILERS]
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Absolutely Right(TM) - with particular emphasis on the summary of what it's not.
I also love the screenwriters version of Starfleet in this film, in Space Seed although Khan has stolen his ship, killed and threatened his people he respects him as a human being from a different time and offers him the chance of a new life for his people (He could'nt have forseen the result) but this starfleet just mothballs Khan and his people in a warehouse somewhere.
10 years ago, members of this BBS would have lynched people for saying something like this.
I'm not entirely disagreeing with you, but relevant, intelligent, rational and focussed storytelling and fun/action/adventure do not have to be mutually exclusive concepts.
Well, I'm certainly not "creaming my pants," but there is a pretty massive difference in quality between this movie and Nemesis imo.
Just in terms of raw entertainment and action, firstly.
I can't get too excited about the film personally because I didn't like the heavy reliance on "quoting" (sometimes literally) earlier movies, the script is a bit unfocused, and it didn't really "hook" me emotionally.
But I'd love this incarnation of Trek to get a really awesome script at some point. It could happen.
That's true.
But one just has to accept that these threads will have a certain amount of "you should like this/you shouldn't like this/you should think this/you should think that, etc., etc."
Beyond wanting to bring Kahn back, there are plenty of reasons to make him Kahn ... explain his "super powers", have a good bad guy, and he generally fits in to where they are in the timeline verus the prime universe.
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- Gotta re-watch "Space Seed" before I see the movie again.
- The Vengeance construction site looked like a Borg cube.
- Hope you enjoyed Alice Eve in 3D, J. Allen.
Actually, I saw her in all of her 2D glory, but she was still glorious.
I've never been the traditional Trek(ker, kor, noid). I don't have collectibles, I don't have uniforms, I don't go to cons. I watch the series on tv when I can, and the movies on DVD or my Zune as often as I have time for. I've been in arguments like these many times, and have been consistent in my positions.
I am a lifelong fan, but that's as far as it goes. I understand what Trek is, and what it isn't. If that makes me a pariah, then so be it. It's worked for 40 years, so why change now?
Ok saw it
Liked it a great deal but there are a few things that I could nitpick to death that irritated the shit out of me. Won't do that now but here are a few points no one else seems to be talking about that I took note of:
1. There is no way the Enterprise isn't utterly destroyed with the damage inflicted on it. No fleet could or would bother repairing her unless you were to take a huuuuuuuuge artistic license leap of faith.
- deflector deck and dish destroyed
- warp engines destroyed
- warp pylons shredded
- primary hull twisted, burning huge chunks missing
- stress cracks apparently (galactica style) under bridge deck and all over hull
- hangar bay twisted ravaged and destroyed
- brewery section of engineering twisted shattered and destroyed
- huge chunks missing from secondary hull
I know we take even greater leaps of story faith in this universe and that doesn't bother me but there is no navy in all of sci fi that wouldn't scrap the ship in the condition shown and rebuild her. Maybe that is implied at the end when it is revealed a year has passed and she is rechristened. New impulse engines looked like. Wish imax had pause
Peter Weller is magnificent but his few good men riff before his demise was laughable. He had me up to that point and deflated me with that direct lifting from a few good men. Very corny
McCoy in short sleeve Bones medi tunic - worth the price of admission. Urban is perfect
Spocks Khan howl was bad just bad , spoiled a perfect tender moment that tore my guts out. A lot like Weller being perfect the doing a Jack Nicholson impersonation, why??
- new warp core very cool but the warp engines still apparently don't have warp tubes connecting to it?
- if in the first film the big aluminum beer silos were all warp cores and now she has one proper warp core why does she still have the beer silo warp cores
- if she still has beer silo backup warp cores why couldn't they be activated when the new primary core failed??
- now i know what happens when an imperial star destroyer plows into the heart of a major city.any doubts about the vengeance size are put to bed
Sad to see pike go would rather have seen him f-cked up to the point where he had to beep away in a chair
Liked it a great deal but there are a few things that I could nitpick to death that irritated the shit out of me. Won't do that now but here are a few points no one else seems to be talking about that I took note of:
1. There is no way the Enterprise isn't utterly destroyed with the damage inflicted on it. No fleet could or would bother repairing her unless you were to take a huuuuuuuuge artistic license leap of faith.
- deflector deck and dish destroyed
- warp engines destroyed
- warp pylons shredded
- primary hull twisted, burning huge chunks missing
- stress cracks apparently (galactica style) under bridge deck and all over hull
- hangar bay twisted ravaged and destroyed
- brewery section of engineering twisted shattered and destroyed
- huge chunks missing from secondary hull
I know we take even greater leaps of story faith in this universe and that doesn't bother me but there is no navy in all of sci fi that wouldn't scrap the ship in the condition shown and rebuild her. Maybe that is implied at the end when it is revealed a year has passed and she is rechristened. New impulse engines looked like. Wish imax had pause
Peter Weller is magnificent but his few good men riff before his demise was laughable. He had me up to that point and deflated me with that direct lifting from a few good men. Very corny
McCoy in short sleeve Bones medi tunic - worth the price of admission. Urban is perfect
Spocks Khan howl was bad just bad , spoiled a perfect tender moment that tore my guts out. A lot like Weller being perfect the doing a Jack Nicholson impersonation, why??
- new warp core very cool but the warp engines still apparently don't have warp tubes connecting to it?
- if in the first film the big aluminum beer silos were all warp cores and now she has one proper warp core why does she still have the beer silo warp cores
- if she still has beer silo backup warp cores why couldn't they be activated when the new primary core failed??
- now i know what happens when an imperial star destroyer plows into the heart of a major city.any doubts about the vengeance size are put to bed
Sad to see pike go would rather have seen him f-cked up to the point where he had to beep away in a chair
You're grossly exaggerting her damage. One portion of the aft starboard quarter of the saucer was opened up, one breach to the starboard side of engineering, the outer casing of the starboard nacelle, parts of the casing of the port, damage to the impulse deck and a misalignment of the warp core.
The hull breaches were only so deep, and the critical components of her were intact throughout. The black hole in the last film caused shipwide stress fractures and the loss of all 6 dilithium chambers, not to mention nearly burning the nacelles out.
As we see at the end of the movie, they've only had to work maybe a month, two at most, to repair her and even fully replace the impulse drive. Obviously they not only work fast, but can patch up that kind of damage with little effort.
Losing an entire nacelle, half the saucer, maybe the deflector assembly or a massive burnout of the entire warp drive might prompt another think about reactivating her, but apparently her repair was a breeze for them.
And the line about "nearly a year ago" is Kirk referencing him taking command of her for the first time, the epilouge in the hospital is two weeks later, the start of the 5 year mission only a month or two.
The hull breaches were only so deep, and the critical components of her were intact throughout. The black hole in the last film caused shipwide stress fractures and the loss of all 6 dilithium chambers, not to mention nearly burning the nacelles out.
As we see at the end of the movie, they've only had to work maybe a month, two at most, to repair her and even fully replace the impulse drive. Obviously they not only work fast, but can patch up that kind of damage with little effort.
Losing an entire nacelle, half the saucer, maybe the deflector assembly or a massive burnout of the entire warp drive might prompt another think about reactivating her, but apparently her repair was a breeze for them.
And the line about "nearly a year ago" is Kirk referencing him taking command of her for the first time, the epilouge in the hospital is two weeks later, the start of the 5 year mission only a month or two.
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But luckily I have you to explain it all to me, gornsky.
Pray tell, oh Prince of Doucheness, what nuggets of wisdom you have to bequeath the rest of us mere mortals.
Infraction for flaming. Comments to PM. Let's leave the personal remarks at the door, please.
Does this mean GORNSKY shouldn't have to elaborate on his evaluation of the other guy's moviegoing skills?
Y'know, to prove it is somehow in accordance with all those, 'it's about the movie not the poster' posting guidelines.
Loved it! Solid A. Better than the last one, which had too many holes in the plots. In this one the plot is great, the motivations are reasonable, the action is terrific, the humor is natural (a real problem in TNG films), and the ending makes sense while setting up the next movie.
No the structural damage to her bones is actually in reality faaar worse. The amount of torque on her in upper atmosphere with no power is bad brother
And how am I exaggerating the entire front third of the primary hull on fire and twisting as she fell into The atmosphere.fire damage is a bitch
So you are saying they fixed all that in more in a couple months? Ha ha ha
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The ship, while falling through the atmosphere, managed to right herself with her thrusters. That is an ENORMOUS amount of lift and strain on the hull, and yet it survived. So I doubt the damage was as bad as it seemed.
I think the ending is supposed to be a year from Pike's death, if memory serves.
A critically acclaimed movie that is probably going to be a Top 10 movie of the year in terms of ticket sales with an exceptional cast and top of the line production values. There's no way Gene Roddenberry wouldn't be gladly rolling in a pile of cash right now.
Star Trek can't be about anyone's personal vision except the person who is sitting in the director's chair. If you want to protest the film, dont watch it at the theater 14 times to nitpick it.
Star Trek can't be about anyone's personal vision except the person who is sitting in the director's chair. If you want to protest the film, dont watch it at the theater 14 times to nitpick it.
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That's what I thought he was saying, too.
Dammit, I wish I could pop in a DVD and confirm it!
That is what Kirk says. The ceremony at the end is to commemorate "those who lost their lives a year ago."
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