Star Trek Film Makers Association

[doubleohfive]

Well, again - it's about the infrastructure of communication. I know for a fact there has been crossover before - half the cast of "The Section 31 Files" appeared at the end of Intrepid's pilot; Eric Busby and Karl Puder, staples of the Darker Projects audio productions have done numerous appearances on Hidden Frontier in both voice-over and on-screen roles.

And besides, I don't see why there needs to be such an exclusivity to this. Surely if your goal is to make production as easy as possible, you would want to be welcoming folks from any and all groups putting out new content. Darker Projects has been doing audio dramas for at least the last six years, boasting a wide range of professional and up-and-coming voice talent and actors. Surely that would have some value?

And, somewhat relatedly - who's running this "Fan Film Association" - is it by committee? Who decides, ultimately, what constitutes membership eligibility or not? I realize an audio drama isn't a film, but both endgames are basically aiming for the same result.

I guess what I'm wondering is, from the wording of your last reply here, are you saying that audio dramas would not be welcome to the association because of the limited ability of what we would have to offer the fan films, even though there are things the fan films would be able to do for us?

I'm not asking for freebies, but then again I don't understand why there's a hesitation to share. In your very first post in this thread you wrote:

There's all this lofty language about wanting to help each other and benefit from each other's experience and resources, to introduce each other to each other, and what not ... so I'm a little unclear about if/why this would suddenly not be the case, just because we're in a different format.

Dude, CHILL THE FRAK OUT. I was asking a question, not saying no. What is with all the belligerence on this forum? Is it possible on this forum to have a discussion without one party getting all aggressive and obnoxious. And yes, I found your post obnoxious and insulting.

So CHILL OUT. I am getting a little sick of being attacked for my good work in setting up this association. And yes, I set it up and got the other players involved. And we will all make decisions together.

I asked a question, because I am unclear of how a video production can help an audio production. I asked you to enlighten me not question my motives. The whole idea is to share assets and information, so I am trying to understand what a video production can provide to an audio drama and vice a versa.

If you can answer that question without going ballistic on me and questioning my motives, I will be happy to engage you. If you continue to act like an hurt child I will tell you to go form the Star Trek Audio Makers Association.

Alec

Alec, I do not think I am the one who needs to "CHILL THE FRAK OUT" here.

Where did I "act like a hurt child" ?

I asked questions of you because the wording if your previous post indicated you needed me to expound on my original query.

So I did.

I gave reasons why we would be interested in networking with the network.

I cited previous examples of audio personnel working with fan film personnel.

There's no need to fall on your sword here as if my actual, relevant questions regarding my inquiry were in any way attacking you personally.

I'd love to engage you on this, so lets discuss. There's no need to be petulant.

 

[Captain Atkin]

Would audio dramas be welcome in this collective? I've done some work for Darker Projects' Star Trek shows, and have had a story in mind for a few years that would create an opportunity for some of our fellow fan film characters to cameo throughout the history of Trek.

I'd basically resigned myself to the notion of reaching out to each of the actors we want directly, but if the infrastructure is in place to facilitate it, would we be welcome or is this strictly for video projects?

I've worked on both audio dramas and fan films. One of the "fan" audio dramas I did is being turned into a short animated film right now (Masters of the Universe: The Dark Tower). Personally, i feel that if it isn't being shown in a visual format, it can't really be called a "film", so that would technically exclude audio dramas from being part of a fan film co-operative. However, I do think that it is a good idea to try to use actors, musicians, writers, etc, from fan film groups when possible.

doubleohAHHHHHH!!!!!: Perhaps you should create a Star Trek (Fan) Audio Drama Association?

 

[doubleohfive]

Darker Projects is, for all intents and purposes an audio drama network for both fan productions and original content, so that ground's been covered.

Also, I don't see why it has to be relegated to "films" only - this forum is for fan productions, so I'm not seeing any reason beyond "because we say so" to justify why this association would be excluding us. Nobody seems to be able to provide a concrete reason for doing so, and honestly, I thought this community had moved past that.

My main concern and query here was whether or not this new "association" would include audio dramas under its umbrella and listed my reason why. Clearly it won't be doing that, and it's a shame to see such a nice idea already in its infancy being so closed-minded.

On a different note, Linnear, you might want to work on developing a thicker skin. Or at the very least, learn how to manage the queries directed to you in a less hostile manner. Part of being a leader is knowing that you have to deal with everyone, not just the people you want to deal with. Your conduct here has been disheartening, and frankly the whole "screw you guys, this is my sandbox" attitude is not unusual for the fan film community, but is especially disappointing coming from the guy who would, ostensibly be the voice of all the fan films. Dennis, Greg, Randy, Nick -- I can ask these guys anything and I wouldn't ever get the kind of passive-aggressive hostility you've demonstrated in this thread when people have dared to ask you simple questions.

Lastly, it's disappointing to me because of the blatant disregard it shows toward the many talented voice actors, audio mixers, producers and writers in audio drama production - not just at Darker Projects but at all the organizations in the field. Perhaps if more fan films actually knew what they were doing when it came to audio it would be less of an irony, but as has been pointed out, audio is frequently embarrassingly bad when it comes to most fan films, so you'd think an avenue toward knowing and interacting with people who actually understand the craft would present some kind of value. I guess not.

 

[Barbreader]

Would audio dramas be welcome in this collective? I've done some work for Darker Projects' Star Trek shows, and have had a story in mind for a few years that would create an opportunity for some of our fellow fan film characters to cameo throughout the history of Trek.

I'd basically resigned myself to the notion of reaching out to each of the actors we want directly, but if the infrastructure is in place to facilitate it, would we be welcome or is this strictly for video projects?

I've worked on both audio dramas and fan films. One of the "fan" audio dramas I did is being turned into a short animated film right now (Masters of the Universe: The Dark Tower). Personally, i feel that if it isn't being shown in a visual format, it can't really be called a "film", so that would technically exclude audio dramas from being part of a fan film co-operative. However, I do think that it is a good idea to try to use actors, musicians, writers, etc, from fan film groups when possible.

doubleohAHHHHHH!!!!!: Perhaps you should create a Star Trek (Fan) Audio Drama Association?

It could be a Star Trek Fan Drama Association (that would also include live theater)

 

[Linnear]

Doubleoh, I guess you have decided to start your own Association, because you clearly don't know how to build a relationship. Attacking me over and over isn't the way to win me over. I asked you a question and was open to working with audio dramas, but YOU ruined it by attacking me. And then you attacked me two more times. Why all the belligerence?

My record is pretty clear with the founding productions, all of whom I have helped and asked nothing in return. You have only proven to be just one more guy who attacks people on the Internet. Good luck. We will stick to film productions.

Alec

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

Honestly, I don't see why there has to be an organized association with basic principals. I'm sure the intentions are in the right place. That being said I've found that once you try to put too much process, organization, a name and principals on something as simple as sharing resources than it becomes something entirely different than perhaps originally intended.

Principals become by-laws. The initial members become a governing board. Membership becomes dependent on certain criteria. Exclusivity rules. And so on and so on.

I agree with Maurice. There's an unpleasant tone that's emerged. And I'll add that there's also far too much pretention. Best of luck to all.

 

[doubleohfive]

Attacking me over and over isn't the way to win me over.

Once again, I will ask - Where are these comments that are outright attacks against you?

I asked you a question and was open to working with audio dramas, but YOU ruined it by attacking me.

On the contrary. Your posts have been snarling, dismissive and rude. If you were ever open to working with audio dramas, you certainly didn't demonstrate it in this thread.

My record is pretty clear with the founding productions, all of whom I have helped and asked nothing in return.

Well if you want to fall on your sword like that good luck.

You have only proven to be just one more guy who attacks people on the Internet. Good luck. We will stick to film productions.

Finally! An answer. So you are the one who will unilaterally made these kinds of decisions for the association. That's good to know. Something tells me you won't be lasting very long there with such an arrogant, closed-minded approach to these things.

I agree with Maurice. There's an unpleasant tone that's emerged. And I'll add that there's also far too much pretention. Best of luck to all.

Agreed. The damn thing hasn't even started and its already just for the cool kids. Pass.

 

[Linnear]

And so being a jerk to people who are actually doing something makes you feel good?

Ho hum.

 

[T'Bonz]

BTW guys, if you have news about your projects, by all means shoot an email to or PM me and I'll post it.

 

[Linnear]

Hey Greg, where is that moderation you keep talking about? This thread has run its course. We know who wants to work with others and who wants to just cause problems.


We are done. Please close this thread.

 

[T'Bonz]

Shit, I missed that while posting. Hang on, sport.

I just got the notification.

Edit: NO need to close a thread if select people would act like adults and not children. I've already warned one, and have no problem with warning others if they can't be civil.

P.S. Linnear, instead of mini-modding, which I *HATE*, next time do a post notify like another poster in here did. That gets our attention straightaway. Neither of us is on here all the time and sometimes behaviors happen while we're afk. And it would be helpful if all posters, if they see someone acting out, refrain from reacting to the behavior and wait for us to come and mop up.

 

[Linnear]

Since some posters have proven incapable of having an adult conversation, if anyone is interested in working with Star Trek Film Makers Association, please email me at alec@propworx.com or find me on Facebook. I don't want to waste time getting trolled on here.

And T'Boo, I don't even know what mini-modding is. I don't spend a lot of time on forums, which is why I guess I am shocked at the lack of civility. But I thank you for your intervention and apologize if I broke procedure.

Alec

 

[Tom]

Would audio dramas be welcome in this collective? I've done some work for Darker Projects' Star Trek shows, and have had a story in mind for a few years that would create an opportunity for some of our fellow fan film characters to cameo throughout the history of Trek.

I'd basically resigned myself to the notion of reaching out to each of the actors we want directly, but if the infrastructure is in place to facilitate it, would we be welcome or is this strictly for video projects?

I've worked on both audio dramas and fan films. One of the "fan" audio dramas I did is being turned into a short animated film right now (Masters of the Universe: The Dark Tower). Personally, i feel that if it isn't being shown in a visual format, it can't really be called a "film", so that would technically exclude audio dramas from being part of a fan film co-operative. However, I do think that it is a good idea to try to use actors, musicians, writers, etc, from fan film groups when possible.

doubleohAHHHHHH!!!!!: Perhaps you should create a Star Trek (Fan) Audio Drama Association?

It could be a Star Trek Fan Drama Association (that would also include live theater)

Might I suggest 'Star Trek Fan Production Association' with divisions for film, audio, animation productions etc.

I have done something similar in categorizing name conventions Star Trek forums I have created (trekunited, etc..)

 

[USS Intrepid]

This is supposed to be a friendly association that can support other groups and each other. Nothing more, nothing less. I understand where everyone's coming from here, but I think folks are just getting frustrated with each each other and the points they're trying to make simply aren't coming across well.

We all want to be friends here okay, so may I suggest we start over with a clean slate.

 

[Barbreader]

This is supposed to be a friendly association that can support other groups and each other. Nothing more, nothing less. I understand where everyone's coming from here, but I think folks are just getting frustrated with each each other and the points they're trying to make simply aren't coming across well.

We all want to be friends here okay, so may I suggest we start over with a clean slate.

Amen.

 

[SeerSGB]

Sounds like people are discussing something similar to Star Wars: Fanworks (which was created for audio drama producers). Not so much an organization, as I understand it--could be wrong, as a central place for promotion, sharing info, and things like that. I don't see why something like that, instead of an association/organization, handle ST FF and FA wouldn't be a better fit.

Just my 2-cents. That and $4 will get you a coffee.

 

[Captain Atkin]

Might I suggest 'Star Trek Fan Production Association' with divisions for film, audio, animation productions etc.

That is a great suggestion!

 

[Linnear]

This is supposed to be a friendly association that can support other groups and each other. Nothing more, nothing less. I understand where everyone's coming from here, but I think folks are just getting frustrated with each each other and the points they're trying to make simply aren't coming across well.

We all want to be friends here okay, so may I suggest we start over with a clean slate.

Exactly Nick. And I would be say it would be nice f people actually signed their posts. So easy to be a troll when you are anonymous. It would be nice to get to know everyone by their actual names.

Alec

 

[doubleohfive]

Double post. (sorry)

 

[doubleohfive]

This is supposed to be a friendly association that can support other groups and each other. Nothing more, nothing less. I understand where everyone's coming from here, but I think folks are just getting frustrated with each each other and the points they're trying to make simply aren't coming across well.

We all want to be friends here okay, so may I suggest we start over with a clean slate.

Exactly Nick. And I would be say it would be nice f people actually signed their posts. So easy to be a troll when you are anonymous. It would be nice to get to know everyone by their actual names.

Alec

Nobody has been trolling you.

Might I suggest 'Star Trek Fan Production Association' with divisions for film, audio, animation productions etc.

That is a great suggestion!

This is basically what I was getting at before Linnear's meltdown. An all inclusive cooperative that everyone could contribute to and also benefit from. Its easy to see the benefits and why it would be a good thing to include everyone; I'm just not clear on why we wouldn't want to include everyone.