Star Trek Discovery...best first season of the franchise?

[Kpnuts]

Mandalorian is another show with a $20+ million budget. It has very good, pristine CGI, but a rather plainly shot cinematography and some unimaginative visuals. If a see another desert planet in SW I'm going to throw up. Discovery is far superior in overall "look" (and both Picard and DSC light years better in quality).

I hope you don't actually believe any of that. Picard/DSC "lightyears better in quality"? Trek wishes it had the production quality, care and attention Wars does. And I say that as a huge fan of both. Wars is produced by people who care, Trek is run by Kurtzman. That says it all.Discovery and Picard have the most cliched, tired tropes in terms of visuals you can imagine. Cinematography-wise, you have no clue what you're talking about. Mandalorian is beautifully shot. Discovery meanwhile, has given us the spinning camera trick so many times it's pretty tragic to think they consider it in any way "good". Holographic controls that make no sense and would give people arm-ache after a minute's use? Ooh never seen that before in scifi.

I see, a low rez cap of Picard is supposed to convince of this when I have many high-quality caps of the scenes? No.

Post the high res screen shot, it'll look just as blurry. The thing you need to (try) and understand, is that well framed shots should look good at any size. You should be able to get a sense of composition if it was small, or large. Discovery and Picard fail in both, especially when it comes to space shots.

I feel I've made my arguments, I still feel I'm correct and I still have more objective support than you based off of the critical reaction, etc that I mentioned over your small scale fannish bias.

Your "objective support" = your opinion, phrased in a simplistic "this is better." way, and arbitrary /10 scores you've assigned to episodes. Please.

 

[fireproof78]

Ooh never seen that before in scifi.

If we are judging on newness in scifi then Mandalorian fails across the board.

 

[Tim Thomason]

TOS > Enterprise > Picard > Discovery > TAS > Voyager > Short Treks > DS9 > TNG

This is the correct order. Everyone else is wrong.

 

[Lord Garth]

TOS
DSC/PIC
TNG/DS9
VOY/ENT

If this is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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[cultcross]

TOS
DSC/PIC
TNG/DS9
VOY/ENT

Yup that's right for me. DSC and Picard had their own plotting issues (and the bloody MU in the former) but as Trek first seasons go, they hit the ground running in a way that only TOS beats.

 

[CorporalClegg]

20 years from now the first season of Mando will be widely seen as a watershed moment in - not just television - but filmmaking in general. It literally invented an entirely new way of doing things that was already set-up to be a huge industry gamechanger, but post-COVID will be seen as a godsend.

Mando was shot with meticulous attention paid to the lighting, framing, and thematic mise en scene by a who's who of up-and-coming auteur talent. Diso was shot the exact same way as old Trek: paint by numbers static shot reverse but with more money (usually spent on decade-old CGI)

To suggest the two are remotely on even footing wreaks of ignorance or sheer bias. Or both. And there's certainly nothing "objective" about it.

 

[Lord Garth]

Diso was shot the exact same way as old Trek: paint by numbers static shot reverse but with more money

Static? Discovery is notorious for the camera moving around too much. There are times when even I think the camera should stop.

A static shot literally means the camera doesn't move. This is a list of all the various types of camera shots in film and what they actually are.

Static Shot or Fixed Shot
When there’s no movement (i.e. locked camera aim) it’s called a static shot. These camera shots emphasize the appearance and movement of your subject against its environment, and are predominantly captured by being placed on a tripod or a dolly that remains static during the shot.

Static shots work well in every genre, but they're nice for comedy because the actor’s performance trumps the camera moves.

Typical Discovery Scene:

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That's not a static shot, no matter how someone would try to spin it. This shot has zooms, slow pans, and even has some unusual angles. It's always moving, either fast or slow, subtly or not subtly. This was the first one I clicked on but it has a good variety.

 

[Kpnuts]

20 years from now the first season of Mando will be widely seen as a watershed moment in - not just television - but filmmaking in general. It literally invented an entirely new way of doing things that was already set-up to be a huge industry gamechanger, but post-COVID will be seen as a godsend.

Mando was shot with meticulous attention paid to the lighting, framing, and thematic mise en scene by a who's who of up-and-coming auteur talent. Diso was shot the exact same way as old Trek: paint by numbers static shot reverse but with more money (usually spent on decade-old CGI)

To suggest the two are remotely on even footing wreaks of ignorance or sheer bias. Or both. And there's certainly nothing "objective" about it.

Well said. It's men vs boys comparing both shows in terms of quality and craftsmanship. It's just sad that Trek can't keep up, as I love both franchises.

 

[fireproof78]

20 years from now the first season of Mando will be widely seen as a watershed moment in - not just television - but filmmaking in general. It literally invented an entirely new way of doing things that was already set-up to be a huge industry gamechanger, but post-COVID will be seen as a godsend.

Mando was shot with meticulous attention paid to the lighting, framing, and thematic mise en scene by a who's who of up-and-coming auteur talent. Diso was shot the exact same way as old Trek: paint by numbers static shot reverse but with more money (usually spent on decade-old CGI)

To suggest the two are remotely on even footing wreaks of ignorance or sheer bias. Or both. And there's certainly nothing "objective" about it.

It is beautifully shot. And that's all I remember about it.

Great for cinematic aficionados. Less interesting to me.

 

[RAMA]

Its CGI is impeccable, but pretty plain and unimaginative otherwise.

It is beautifully shot. And that's all I remember about it.

Great for cinematic aficionados. Less interesting to me.

 

[RAMA]

Did I actually read that right..someone complaining DSC's shooting style is like...old Trek? Wow!

An absolute first for me, as someone who's around 10's of thousands of reactions of the show.

RAMA

Static? Discovery is notorious for the camera moving around too much. There are times when even I think the camera should stop.

A static shot literally means the camera doesn't move. This is a list of all the various types of camera shots in film and what they actually are.



Typical Discovery Scene:

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That's not a static shot, no matter how someone would try to spin it. This shot has zooms, slow pans, and even has some unusual angles. It's always moving, either fast or slow, subtly or not subtly. This was the first one I clicked on but it has a good variety.

 

[Lord Garth]

Did I actually read that right..someone complaining DSC's shooting style is like...old Trek? Wow!

Yup. He either hasn't actually watched the show or it had been so long that he didn't remember. Either way, I wasn't about to let that one slip by.

 

[RAMA]

Yup. He either hasn't actually watched the show or it had been so long that he didn't remember. Either way, I wasn't about to let that one slip by.

To be honest, it's pretty common at this point to make things up as they go along.

 

[thribs]

Better than TOS? That’s just crazy talk.

 

[Cyrus]

Discovery shooting style is definitely not static, if anything it is too dynamic like the Kelvin movies. I actually prefer a less dynamic and hectic style that Picard is using.

 

[Kpnuts]

Its CGI is impeccable, but pretty plain and unimaginative otherwise.

And yet everyone loves it.

And no hissing tentacle monsters or cliched AI takes over the galaxy tropes to be seen.

 

[KennyB]

It is beautifully shot. And that's all I remember about it.

Great for cinematic aficionados. Less interesting to me.

I do think Trek and most other SCi-Fl will adopt the Volume set that ILM pioneered with The Mandalorian........most of the outside/planet scenes were shot indoors with huge LED screens. If you haven't seen it, it is quite amazing.

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[RAMA]

I found Mandalorian to be entertaining enough, and it got better as it went along, but the Trek shows have been more dramatically demanding and more complex, so there's more for people to judge their quality on. With Mandalorian it was pretty basic, so you either liked it or didn't.

I also think it was technically brilliant.. It should be at $15 million!!!

I also found Discovery to be more ambitious design-wise, photography-wise, breaking new visual ground within the franchise. Mandalorian didnt really expand anything, we got some solid adventure, and it was better than the movies.

I do think Trek and most other SCi-Fl will adopt the Volume set that ILM pioneered with The Mandalorian........most of the outside/planet scenes were shot indoors with huge LED screens. If you haven't seen it, it is quite amazing.

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[RAMA]

If you ever listened to people who worked on both eras like Frakes, or listen to Robbie McNeil's stories from the Berman era and how constrained he was with his direction, you'll appreciate the freedom of the photography on Discovery. I love it. I was suggesting such change back in 2001 during Enterprise.

RAMA

Discovery shooting style is definitely not static, if anything it is too dynamic like the Kelvin movies. I actually prefer a less dynamic and hectic style that Picard is using.

 

[fireproof78]

And yet everyone loves it.

I'm always glad to be the exception.