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Star Trek: Discovery: Aggravated that CBS will charge us

This is the first year Netflix has turned a material profit. Every other year all revenue (and then some) went back into more content , because the only way to keep people from cancelling is to continuously add more and more content. Netflix is a monster, devouring itself. They spend more money on TV productions than all four major US networks. They have to add all that content or they die.

This is the first year they finally feel confident that they are producing enough new content they don't have blow the entirety of their revenue (and / or borrow money) to make new content and keep customers.

Streaming content is a giant money suck, and that's why most attempts fail. All Access will probably die too. But, at least because Netflix is paying for discovery (and maybe having some behind the scenes input as well?) All Access's failure won't be due to Discovery. Ultimately, the US doesn't really matter for Trek this go around. Even if All Access is gone by next Jan, if Netflix is happy, Disc will continue.

They even gave Marco Polo a second shot which (while I loved it, especially when it was the Kublai Khan show and Polo was nowhere to be seen) cost a fortune and supposedly had very little viewership - one of their few rumoured bombs.
And how dare CBS ask for subscription money? :rolleyes:
 
I'm less worried about CBS All Access failing than I am about DSC getting canceled. CBSAA has been around for a couple years and they don't spend a fortune on licensing fees. I expect since it's their own programming, they don't require Netflix level subscription numbers to make the service worth their while. Whether DSC is good for business after season 1 is a more uncertain question.
 
We have two main streaming services in Australia...Netflix and Stan. They both have different content (licensing rights makes my head spin), but they both seem to be thriving here. I don't think CBS All Access will have any trouble keeping customers, and the content is some of the most watched in the US (NCIS, Hawaii Five-O, Madam Secretary). These shows may find new audiences once they have finished airing. I know I've come across a number of series on Netflix that I started to watch years after they finish.
 
My wife watches Madam Secretary and I was going to buy CBSAA for her to save her the cost of purchasing the episodes one at a time. A good excuse to start CBSAA early since I want to support them. But it turns out she's been watching it for free with our Prime subscription at Amazon. :shrug:
 
This is such outdated thinking, its not the 90s anymore, trying to apply 60s, 80s or 90s thinking about media to today is futile.

Today, people will judge a streaming service on the strength of its library and just saying Star Trek cost more the past is meaningless, it does not make CBS All Access a better service.

I have no problem with Star Trek being a streaming service, I just wish it was on a better streaming service and saying CBS may become better in 4 years due to Star Trek, does not help anyone who has this service now.

CBS All Access needs more then Star Trek to be competitive and they have to get into gear or get left behind, because Netflix has a big head start and is not limited to solely to CBS related shows.

Exactly look at the Marvel franchise that has what 4 superhero series going with a super crossover/team up season coming. No reason this couldn't be duplicated with Trek.
 
Exactly look at the Marvel franchise that has what 4 superhero series going with a super crossover/team up season coming. No reason this couldn't be duplicated with Trek.
I don't think this comparison works. Marvel (and DC, sort of) are totally different properties with a different appeal and different audience (everyone on Earth). Star Trek has never had the kind of audience or draw that superheroes have. A lot of that superhero obsession is a relatively new fad, but I don't think there's any Marvel strategy that Trek could emulate and succeed in the same way. They're just totally different. And now people are having franchise fatigue. Whenever there's talk about studios contriving "cinematic universes" for things like the Universal monsters,Transformers, what have you, people just roll their eyes.
 
I don't think this comparison works. Marvel (and DC, sort of) are totally different properties with a different appeal and different audience (everyone on Earth). Star Trek has never had the kind of audience or draw that superheroes have. A lot of that superhero obsession is a relatively new fad, but I don't think there's any Marvel strategy that Trek could emulate and succeed in the same way. They're just totally different. And now people are having franchise fatigue. Whenever there's talk about studios contriving "cinematic universes" for things like the Universal monsters,Transformers, what have you, people just roll their eyes.
Because it's a ridiculous concept. Part of the problem with that is that films are no longer stand alone stories, but have to factor in to a larger world, with plenty of references, developments, Easter eggs and after credits scenes.

The term "cinematic universe" has become so overblown, that any replication is just going to be poorly thought out and have no uniqueness to it.
 
Because it's a ridiculous concept. Part of the problem with that is that films are no longer stand alone stories, but have to factor in to a larger world, with plenty of references, developments, Easter eggs and after credits scenes.

The term "cinematic universe" has become so overblown, that any replication is just going to be poorly thought out and have no uniqueness to it.
Yeah I'm sick of it. It's fine with superheroes I guess, but even those I'm starting to get a little tired of. So many of them now I'm just like, "Eh, it's fine."
 
All the folks who say the money is no problem and we should just pony up: No. Don't tell me I should give up a few lattes or whatever. I don't care to complicate my life by having to sign up for, pay for, and maintain passwords for extra services.
I grew up on broadcast tv. I didn't get cable until 1997, and only because I was in Japan. I tried American cable in 2001, killed it after a month. They insisted on packaging shite I hated with the few things I wanted, and cost too much. Commercials were the price for broadcast tv, but modern cable retained them in addition to the customer paying for access, this is dishonest and intolerable. I have since refused all cable. I only have netflix because my daughter wanted it, and I hardly ever watch it. Not signing up for even more services, especially when it turns out that using a virtual private network can spoof netflix into netflix UK.
I won't pay for CBSAA. Fuck them. Discovery ought to be on more available options, with premium content (like specials about the show and some special episodes) used as incentives to get CBSAA.
 
You can't really fault them for attempting to establish a more viable modern service. It's entirely their purview. Also no one is telling you to do anything, they're just saying this is an equivalent cost, maybe it's not such a big deal.

If it's too difficult to remember a few passwords then buy the DVD/Bluray, no ads on that and it's a one time payment for the length of ownership.
 
All the folks who say the money is no problem and we should just pony up: No. Don't tell me I should give up a few lattes or whatever. I don't care to complicate my life by having to sign up for, pay for, and maintain passwords for extra services.
I grew up on broadcast tv. I didn't get cable until 1997, and only because I was in Japan. I tried American cable in 2001, killed it after a month. They insisted on packaging shite I hated with the few things I wanted, and cost too much. Commercials were the price for broadcast tv, but modern cable retained them in addition to the customer paying for access, this is dishonest and intolerable. I have since refused all cable. I only have netflix because my daughter wanted it, and I hardly ever watch it. Not signing up for even more services, especially when it turns out that using a virtual private network can spoof netflix into netflix UK.
I won't pay for CBSAA. Fuck them. Discovery ought to be on more available options, with premium content (like specials about the show and some special episodes) used as incentives to get CBSAA.
It's still new. Who knows how it will change.
 
It's still new. Who knows how it will change.
This is true. I didn't expect them to start streaming live NFL games on All Access but they will. I don't think their goal is "here's some police procedurals and Star Trek. Bye." I think they're just getting into the format. That's all.

People just have different standards of value. If someone rather wait until it maybe comes out on bluray or something, you do you. I only have real problems with Trekkies who steal the show off torrent sites. That's not cool.
 
This is true. I didn't expect them to start streaming live NFL games on All Access but they will. I don't think their goal is "here's some police procedurals and Star Trek. Bye." I think they're just getting into the format. That's all.

People just have different standards of value. If someone rather wait until it maybe comes out on bluray or something, you do you. I only have real problems with Trekkies who steal the show off torrent sites. That's not cool.
I have no issue with that at all. I just struggle with the attitude of condemnation towards All Access and CBS' decision when its their product.
 
All the folks who say the money is no problem and we should just pony up: No. Don't tell me I should give up a few lattes or whatever.

Your choice. Always has been.

I don't care to complicate my life by having to sign up for, pay for, and maintain passwords for extra services.

Welcome to the internet era. I've been maintaining passwords and paying for various services since the turn of the century. Where have you been?

And is it really that complicated?

Not signing up for even more services, especially when it turns out that using a virtual private network can spoof netflix into netflix UK.

Wouldn't you still have to sign up for that service? And do a lot of work that isn't necessary with getting All-Access in the US?
 
Your choice. Always has been.
Welcome to the internet era. I've been maintaining passwords and paying for various services since the turn of the century. Where have you been?

And is it really that complicated?
Wouldn't you still have to sign up for that service? And do a lot of work that isn't necessary with getting All-Access in the US?
There are also password management services, which I find quite handy.
 
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