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Star Trek: Discovery: Aggravated that CBS will charge us

Except what are they doing to dramatically increase the size of their library?

Netflix makes new stuff all the time and makes deals with big companies like Disney to increase their library, meanwhile CBS can't be bothered to combine the CBS and Showtime streaming services.

CBS is hand cuffing themselves, it doesn't seem like they are putting their best effort forward.
I highly doubt that Netflix could have predicted where it would be now, and the contracts that they have now.

CBS is trying something new, which will involve a lot of growing pains. Just because they haven't told the general public how they are expanding their library doesn't meant they don't have plans. It just means they are not going to tell us everything.
 
I am NOT a fan of this CBS ALL ACCESS route at all. I am not a computer guy, and frankly such gadgets are really more complicated than they should be.

Having said that, I will pay to watch DISCOVERY and cancel as soon as the season ends, and do the same for each season. Because I love STAR TREK in all forms and series, and I have missed having new episodes to watch.

I am just aggravated that EVERYWHERE will be able to get it on Netflix exvept here and Canada, although I think the reason why Canada will be able to watch on actual tv is because it will be produced there.
 
Because nobody on the face of the planet will think about downloading the chapters from pirate sites. I don't know why they even bother to charge for it...
 
Because nobody on the face of the planet will think about downloading the chapters from pirate sites. I don't know why they even bother to charge for it...

Most people still pay for their shows. How do you think Netflix and Cabel companies are still around?
 
It's not the money, for me.
I'll pay for Star trek.
The problem is, unlike Netflix, Amazon or Hulu, CBS All Access hasn't invested in the distribution infrastructure. They've only created apps for a few machines. Apple TV, Roku and Android, as far as I know.
Most modern smart TVs can't even get it. Repeat- Most modern smart TVs can't even get it.
That's not how America's great sci-fi franchise should be distributed.
In addition to that, CBS has spent decades focusing on endless procedurals, lowest common denominator sitcoms and trash reality shows.
Access to their catalog is not exactly a match made in heaven with Star Trek. Different people will find different value there of course, but for me CBS hasn't produced anything I'd want to pay for since The Dukes of Hazzard went off the air.
 
I wonder if CBS All Access doesn't pull in the numbers, but Netflix does in 90% of the rest of the world they'll just switch to just Netflix.
 
Most people still pay for their shows. How do you think Netflix and Cabel companies are still around?
A service like Netflix has a wide range of content. It's something totally different. Supplementary material will always be for die-hard fans only.
 
I wonder if CBS All Access doesn't pull in the numbers, but Netflix does in 90% of the rest of the world they'll just switch to just Netflix.
This is a win win for CBS. They have a show that has already turned a profit up front-profits large enough to cover production costs. There is no "if it fails" scenario here. As long as the foreign sales to Netflix hauls in big bucks, CBS is under no risk at all. Their streaming service is literally getting a high cost show for free. What we have is the reverse of how TV productions are birthed.
 
No CBS All Access = No Star Trek. You either fork over the $9.99 which you will have to do one time if you can watch 10 episodes of TV in a month, or you wait for it to hit other platforms, or you don't watch it at all. Star Trek gets very low ratings on TV. It was getting abysmal ratings on UPN a decade and it would be way worst than that now. It's just not going to work. We like to think Star Trek is mainstream, but it would draw about 20% of a new live action Star Wars TV show.
 
It's not the money, for me.
I'll pay for Star trek.
The problem is, unlike Netflix, Amazon or Hulu, CBS All Access hasn't invested in the distribution infrastructure. They've only created apps for a few machines. Apple TV, Roku and Android, as far as I know.
Most modern smart TVs can't even get it. Repeat- Most modern smart TVs can't even get it.
That's not how America's great sci-fi franchise should be distributed.
In addition to that, CBS has spent decades focusing on endless procedurals, lowest common denominator sitcoms and trash reality shows.
Access to their catalog is not exactly a match made in heaven with Star Trek. Different people will find different value there of course, but for me CBS hasn't produced anything I'd want to pay for since The Dukes of Hazzard went off the air.
There's a CBSAA app on gaming consoles like Xbox One, which is how I watch it. There's also a Windows Phone CBSAA app that I use sometimes, believe it or not. And theres an app in the Windows Store that I use on my PC. I don't use Apple stuff but I'm fairly certain there's an app for it in Apple's app store. You can find it through Apple Tv, Amazon Fire Stick, Roku, and Chromecast, etc. It's not that hard to find. And if there isn't a smart TV app for it yet, it's probably coming.
 
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No CBS All Access = No Star Trek. You either fork over the $9.99 which you will have to do one time if you can watch 10 episodes of TV in a month, or you wait for it to hit other platforms, or you don't watch it at all. Star Trek gets very low ratings on TV. It was getting abysmal ratings on UPN a decade and it would be way worst than that now. It's just not going to work.

Yep.
 
No CBS All Access = No Star Trek. You either fork over the $9.99 which you will have to do one time if you can watch 10 episodes of TV in a month, or you wait for it to hit other platforms, or you don't watch it at all. Star Trek gets very low ratings on TV. It was getting abysmal ratings on UPN a decade and it would be way worst than that now. It's just not going to work. We like to think Star Trek is mainstream, but it would draw about 20% of a new live action Star Wars TV show.
This is especially true considering the declining trend of people watching TV through traditional means. If the situation were reversed and DSC were on tv but not a streaming service, then I would be one of those people left out through distribution limitations. CBS is just anticipating the inevitable.
 
Because nobody on the face of the planet will think about downloading the chapters from pirate sites. I don't know why they even bother to charge for it...
Because then they can't make it. Film and TV production are not free.
A service like Netflix has a wide range of content. It's something totally different. Supplementary material will always be for die-hard fans only.
Netflix didn't start out that way.
It feels to me like being mad at All Access for not being Netflix is like being mad at a newborn for not being Lebron James.
No CBS All Access = No Star Trek. You either fork over the $9.99 which you will have to do one time if you can watch 10 episodes of TV in a month, or you wait for it to hit other platforms, or you don't watch it at all. Star Trek gets very low ratings on TV. It was getting abysmal ratings on UPN a decade and it would be way worst than that now. It's just not going to work. We like to think Star Trek is mainstream, but it would draw about 20% of a new live action Star Wars TV show.
Precisely so.
 
Because then they can't make it. Film and TV production are not free.

Netflix didn't start out that way.
It feels to me like being mad at All Access for not being Netflix is like being mad at a newborn for not being Lebron James.

Precisely so.
Not to mention how much of Netflix's content do people actually watch? It has a similar problem as traditional tv -- a thousand channels and nothing is on. Netflix definitely has some cool stuff but so much of their content is padded with crap. It's not like Netflix is a hub of amazing content across the board. It may have a certain "something for everyone" edge, but it took them a while to get there, and for the average user, most of Netflix is merely stuff you scroll past.
 
Netflix didn't start out that way.
It feels to me like being mad at All Access for not being Netflix is like being mad at a newborn for not being Lebron James.
That's not what I intend. And it's not as if what they charge can be equated with what Netflix charges for all the content they own (it's still better than TV programming compared to the where I come from). While Star Trek is known for being a TV pioneer, I think they risk too much by distributing it only by online streaming, even more considering all the delays and departures they had.
 
That's not what I intend. And it's not as if what they charge can be equated with what Netflix charges for all the content they own (it's still better than TV programming compared to the where I come from). While Star Trek is known for being a TV pioneer, I think they risk too much by distributing it only by online streaming, even more considering all the delays and departures they had.
And it might fail. In which case some one else will pick it up, possibly Netflix. But, here's the thing-risk is part of the business, and CBS already is at risk of being left behind in the expanding media market.

It might work, it might not. I'm at least willing to let them try, because they have access to more info than I do.
 
They've only created apps for a few machines. Apple TV, Roku and Android, as far as I know.

Not true. I linked the platforms the All-Access app is available for earlier in this thread. If you can watch Netflix, you can likely get All-Access.
 
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Not to mention how much of Netflix's content do people actually watch? It has a similar problem as traditional tv -- a thousand channels and nothing is on. Netflix definitely has some cool stuff but so much of their content is padded with crap. It's not like Netflix is a hub of amazing content across the board. It may have a certain "something for everyone" edge, but it took them a while to get there, and for the average user, most of Netflix is merely stuff you scroll past.
This is the first year Netflix has turned a material profit. Every other year all revenue (and then some) went back into more content , because the only way to keep people from cancelling is to continuously add more and more content. Netflix is a monster, devouring itself. They spend more money on TV productions than all four major US networks. They have to add all that content or they die.

This is the first year they finally feel confident that they are producing enough new content they don't have blow the entirety of their revenue (and / or borrow money) to make new content and keep customers.

Streaming content is a giant money suck, and that's why most attempts fail. All Access will probably die too. But, at least because Netflix is paying for discovery (and maybe having some behind the scenes input as well?) All Access's failure won't be due to Discovery. Ultimately, the US doesn't really matter for Trek this go around. Even if All Access is gone by next Jan, if Netflix is happy, Disc will continue.

They even gave Marco Polo a second shot which (while I loved it, especially when it was the Kublai Khan show and Polo was nowhere to be seen) cost a fortune and supposedly had very little viewership - one of their few rumoured bombs.
 
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