Star Trek: Discovery: Aggravated that CBS will charge us

[Darkwing]

Your choice. Always has been.

Yet it's still annoying when people tell me to give up something, like they have any clue how I spend my money, or whether I would have any use for the service aside from the one show.

Welcome to the internet era. I've been maintaining passwords and paying for various services since the turn of the century. Where have you been?
And is it really that complicated?

Only if the service is worthwhile, I have a use for it, and that use exceeds the trouble it takes.

Wouldn't you still have to sign up for that service? And do a lot of work that isn't necessary with getting All-Access in the US?

I watched Heroes, Firefly, Stargate SG1, and B5 all on DVD, not as broadcast. If I really, really wanted badly to watch it as it came out, I'd rather do that work-around than reward CBS for trying to control me and my spending.
Basically, CBS made a bad decision, I dislike it, and it gets irritating when people try to act like it's no biggie, and we should just all get on board.
I decline to go along to get along. CBS needs to hear the pushback, and the people trying to negate the backlash are simply enabling bad decisions.

 

[Apparition B5]

I only have netflix because my daughter wanted it, and I hardly ever watch it. Not signing up for even more services, especially when it turns out that using a virtual private network can spoof netflix into netflix UK.
I won't pay for CBSAA. Fuck them. Discovery ought to be on more available options, with premium content (like specials about the show and some special episodes) used as incentives to get CBSAA.

Good luck getting around Netflix's VPN ban. Just about every major VPN service has been blocked by Netflix, (and Hulu for that matter).

Yet it's still annoying when people tell me to give up something, like they have any clue how I spend my money, or whether I would have any use for the service aside from the one show.

Only if the service is worthwhile, I have a use for it, and that use exceeds the trouble it takes.

I watched Heroes, Firefly, Stargate SG1, and B5 all on DVD, not as broadcast. If I really, really wanted badly to watch it as it came out, I'd rather do that work-around than reward CBS for trying to control me and my spending.
Basically, CBS made a bad decision, I dislike it, and it gets irritating when people try to act like it's no biggie, and we should just all get on board.
I decline to go along to get along. CBS needs to hear the pushback, and the people trying to negate the backlash are simply enabling bad decisions.

It's your money, no one is going to tell you how to spend it. Or at least they shouldn't. But over one million people already subscribe to CBS All Access, several months before the release of Discovery. It's pretty safe to assume that that number will substantially rise come August/September.

You're more than welcome to push back against a river for flowing, but don't be surprised when that river continues to flow anyway and everyone else is already in it for a swim.

 

[Takeru]

I watched Heroes, Firefly, Stargate SG1, and B5 all on DVD, not as broadcast. If I really, really wanted badly to watch it as it came out, I'd rather do that work-around than reward CBS for trying to control me and my spending.

How are they trying to control your spending? They're making an offer that you either accept or not.

Basically, CBS made a bad decision, I dislike it, and it gets irritating when people try to act like it's no biggie, and we should just all get on board.

But it is no biggie, you either spend a few bucks to watch the entire season (less than a single movie ticket if you only subscribe for one month) or you don't. Nobody says you have to, you're making a big stink over nothing.

I decline to go along to get along. CBS needs to hear the pushback, and the people trying to negate the backlash are simply enabling bad decisions.

Streaming with no FCC regulations and restrictions and more flexibility when it comes to episode length is a good thing in my opinion. They haven't made a bad decision so far.

 

[Paul Weaver]

DS9 season 7 cost me about £160 or about $240, which is $330 today. Forgive me for being unsympathetic to people complaining about spending $120.

 

[Spider]

It's not necessarily the money, it's their setup (as I understand it) that I don't like. If they put out a show to stream, and then not leave all the episodes (that have been released) available for streaming, then I object to that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that episodes wont be constantly available after their release date, they'll only be streaming the most current few episodes. If that's true, then I object, if it's isn't true, then I have no problems with the set up.

I don't buy DVDs, I buy the streaming rights from Amazon and can watch at any time and always have the streaming rights. And this CBS service is available on my Amazon Fire device. It would be just like my HBO and SHOWTIME channel subscriptions through Amazon Prime, just through my Fire device on my TV, and not available to my PC. No biggie.

 

[NOVE9]

I've not heard that that is how it's being released. Stands to reason that however they released the good fight they will do the same with STDC.

 

[BillJ]

...and it gets irritating when people try to act like it's no biggie...

It is "no biggie". You're hand wringing over a TV show being on an outlet you don't like. Pay it or not, but get over yourself.

 

[Starbreaker]

I watched Heroes, Firefly, Stargate SG1, and B5 all on DVD, not as broadcast. If I really, really wanted badly to watch it as it came out, I'd rather do that work-around than reward CBS for trying to control me and my spending.

Watching of Star Trek is completely voluntary. "Controlled spending" is not even a real thing unless you are a ward of the state or something.

 

[Lawrence B]

I've not heard that that is how it's being released. Stands to reason that however they released the good fight they will do the same with STDC.

Having just watched the "The Good Fight" all season on CBSAA (the season finale was released today) I can confirm they've kept every episode since the premiere available for streaming. Seem very unlikely they would change that setup for Discovery once it begins streaming.

 

[Mudd]

It's pretty clear that the CBS decision to place Trek on their own streaming service is not a bad idea - it's simply a decision that a minority of folks don't like. C'est la guerre.

That they need to "hear the pushback" is a knee-slapper.

 

[Darkwing]

It is "no biggie". You're hand wringing over a TV show being on an outlet you don't like. Pay it or not, but get over yourself.

Don't tell me to get over myself, and don't tell me to be a good compliant idiot.

Watching of Star Trek is completely voluntary. "Controlled spending" is not even a real thing unless you are a ward of the state or something.

When an organization tries to push people into spending money on something, it soon gets locked in. Ever try to get out of a HOA? Or buy a place without joining the existing one?

It's pretty clear that the CBS decision to place Trek on their own streaming service is not a bad idea - it's simply a decision that a minority of folks don't like. C'est la guerre.

That they need to "hear the pushback" is a knee-slapper.

Got numbers, or just making assumptions? Remember Phase II was supposed to anchor a new network? Remember PTEN? Yeah, I won't be surprised if this goes the same way. Laugh if you like, but don't assume you know the truth, or that this will pan out for CBS.

Good luck getting around Netflix's VPN ban. Just about every major VPN service has been blocked by Netflix, (and Hulu for that matter).

Not really concerned, but I have read that a number of folks are planning on this, so perhaps there's a hole.

It's your money, no one is going to tell you how to spend it. Or at least they shouldn't. But over one million people already subscribe to CBS All Access, several months before the release of Discovery. It's pretty safe to assume that that number will substantially rise come August/September.

You're more than welcome to push back against a river for flowing, but don't be surprised when that river continues to flow anyway and everyone else is already in it for a swim.

On this thread alone, people are braying that we should be happy to play along.

How are they trying to control your spending? They're making an offer that you either accept or not.

Nope. They're making a product available under more restrictive terms than similar products in the past, and you think I should like it that way.

But it is no biggie, you either spend a few bucks to watch the entire season (less than a single movie ticket if you only subscribe for one month) or you don't. Nobody says you have to, you're making a big stink over nothing.

They say I have to do it their way, instead of the easier way that it used to be, and that I should pay a new (minor, yes, but all these piddly new charges add up) fee for the privilege. We should all kick at that.

Streaming with no FCC regulations and restrictions and more flexibility when it comes to episode length is a good thing in my opinion. They haven't made a bad decision so far.

Basically, same old thing we have now, no new capability, just with a particular pool of programming, and the claim that it's something new that it isn't.

 

[Trekkin]

Don't tell me to get over myself, and don't tell me to be a good compliant idiot.

If you want to watch it, get ready for some climbing and complying. Or criminality. Your pick.

As for idiocy, trust me: no one sees a need to encourage that.

 

[Tosk]

Back when it was TNG/DS9/VOY, we here in Australia had to either get people to tape the show and send it over or wait 'til the sell-through tapes came out so that we could buy or rent them. ...Or wait two to three years for free-to-air TV to play the eps.

"The tables have turned, Darkness!"

 

[Nerys Myk]

When an organization tries to push people into spending money on something,

It's called Capitalism.

 

[fireproof78]

Don't tell me to get over myself, and don't tell me to be a good compliant idiot.


When an organization tries to push people into spending money on something, it soon gets locked in. Ever try to get out of a HOA? Or buy a place without joining the existing one?


Got numbers, or just making assumptions? Remember Phase II was supposed to anchor a new network? Remember PTEN? Yeah, I won't be surprised if this goes the same way. Laugh if you like, but don't assume you know the truth, or that this will pan out for CBS.


Not really concerned, but I have read that a number of folks are planning on this, so perhaps there's a hole.


On this thread alone, people are braying that we should be happy to play along.

Nope. They're making a product available under more restrictive terms than similar products in the past, and you think I should like it that way.


They say I have to do it their way, instead of the easier way that it used to be, and that I should pay a new (minor, yes, but all these piddly new charges add up) fee for the privilege. We should all kick at that.


Basically, same old thing we have now, no new capability, just with a particular pool of programming, and the claim that it's something new that it isn't.

Their product and they can charge what they want.

Don't have to buy it.

 

[Trekkin]

Back when it was TNG/DS9/VOY, we here in Australia had to either get people to tape the show and send it over or wait 'til the sell-through tapes came out so that we could buy or rent them. ...Or wait two to three years for free-to-air TV to play the eps.

"The tables have turned, Darkness!"

I took the extra-difficult road: I taped it off the free-to-air.

It was hell.

 

[Bones]

ICorrect me if I'm wrong, but I read somewhere that episodes wont be constantly available after their release date, they'll only be streaming the most current few episodes. If that's true, then I object, if it's isn't true, then I have no problems with the set up.

I believe that will be the strategy. CBS will want people to be subscribers over a period of at least a few months, rather than waiting till the series is over and marathoning the whole thing for a single month's subscription. It is just capitalism at work.

 

[BillJ]

When an organization tries to push people into spending money on something, it soon gets locked in. Ever try to get out of a HOA? Or buy a place without joining the existing one?

 

[Trekkin]

I'm guessing he means a Homeowners association.

Though it may be my Aussieness talking, but it's really not that hard to find properties without a HOA.

 

[Tuskin38]

Nope. They're making a product available under more restrictive terms than similar products in the past, and you think I should like it that way.

You have free will no? You can choose not to pay and watch it. Wait until it hits DVD or whatever.