Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

[jackoverfull]

Going from Lieutenant to Lt. Commander and going from Security to First Officer isn't much of a stretch

Wouldn't be a strecht at all even for a normal chief of security, Willa seem to be even above that post: I'm ot totally sure what her position is exacly but she's obviusly performing a very important job at starfleet HQs, promoting her to first officer on a ship would make for a believable career path towards a captaincy of her own.

I think Season 4 would be really helped honestly with an outsider joining the crew who acts as a mild antagonist to Burnham. A Seven to her Janeway basically, who comes in, doesn't totally obey orders, and generally stinks up the joint. It would be intriguing because the shoe would be on the other foot for Michael. Instead of being the rebellious junior officer, now she has to learn to deal with a rebellious junior officer herself.

This would be great, yes.

Mary Wiseman does emote beautifully, effortlessly.

Yes, she's great.

 

[1001001]

Mary Wiseman does emote beautifully, effortlessly.

 

[Discofan]

Mary Wiseman does emote beautifully, effortlessly.

Yes, she's a good actress.

 

[JRoss]

My thing with Nilsson boils down to that I like all of the bridge crew. I wish they got more screen time. They're in every episode.
Ariam was the most interesting of them, and she was a Lt. Commander. So when they replaced her with Nilsson, using the same actress, it just kind of felt like a continuity of the original character. It also seems like a genuinely nice thing that the production staff did. The actor could not continue in that role, so they accommodated her.

Honestly, I wanted Owo as the XO.

The bridge crew are the people whom we see the most of in the show. I want to learn more about them.

 

[Zod]

I enjoyed the ending. I have been saying for three years that she should be captain. It will make her a more likable character.

The rest was ok I guess. Dilithium has a subspace component? I have always enjoyed the technobabble but when its this important I would have liked a better explanation so I can accept it easier. I think TNG did this MUCH better. How does the child's emotions do all this? I still don't get it. Maybe I am just dumb. I rewinded it three times and still just don't get it.

Also the others can see Grey...Why? Is that the holodeck somehow interacting with the symbiant?

Season 4 here we come!

 

[thribs]

What that turbolift scene needed is some Discovery shuttles flying around in that chasm where Michael and others can jump onto and continue the fight like Spock fighting Khan in Into Darkness.

 

[Slugboy]

I wonder why Detmer is wearing gold, she's the helm officer, not operations.

It's consistent with the uniform she was wearing before (she, along with Owosekun, has copper-piped uniforms with Operations insignia) and consistent with TOS, in which both those front-seat officers were yellowshirts. Though I suppose she should have been switched to the Command division (presuming that the 32nd century continues to follow the TNG rule of having helm officers in the Command division)

Actually, the uniform error that bothers me the most is Tilly, who always wore copper piping with an Operations insignia. But at the end, they show her in Science blue. They also kept the idea of marking Medical officers separately (Culber has a white stripe on his uniform), which I guess was something they did in the Discovery era, then dropped it from TOS to Voyager, and then brought it back for the 32nd century.

 

[thribs]

Actually, the uniform error that bothers me the most is Tilly, who always wore copper piping with an Operations insignia. But at the end, they show her in Science blue.

Apparently that was changed in post. You can tell as well since it doesn’t look right if you freeze the frame

 

[jackoverfull]

It's consistent with the uniform she was wearing before (she, along with Owosekun, has copper-piped uniforms with Operations insignia) and consistent with TOS, in which both those front-seat officers were yellowshirts. Though I suppose she should have been switched to the Command division (presuming that the 32nd century continues to follow the TNG rule of having helm officers in the Command division)

But it's not consistent with the 24th century, where navigation wears red. On the other hand, this is the 32nd century and things could have changed again.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

My thing with Nilsson boils down to that I like all of the bridge crew. I wish they got more screen time. They're in every episode.
Ariam was the most interesting of them, and she was a Lt. Commander. So when they replaced her with Nilsson, using the same actress, it just kind of felt like a continuity of the original character. It also seems like a genuinely nice thing that the production staff did. The actor could not continue in that role, so they accommodated her.

Honestly, I wanted Owo as the XO.

The bridge crew are the people whom we see the most of in the show. I want to learn more about them.

I would think in an old school "normal" season of 24 episodes, they would have been able to explore the bridge crew and other secondary characters more. Those would be considered filler episodes, which I do miss, but the faster paced 10-13 episode seasons can be pretty good too.

 

[Nerys Myk]

as far as I remember Kirk disobeys once in the series, to save Spock. His reputation is unwarranted.

Kirk prefers to ignore orders from bureaucrats like Fox, Baris, Helford and Ferris when his ship or crew are in danger. He also countermands Decker, who has assumed command of the Enterprise in Doomsday Machine.
"Blast regulations! Mister Spock, I order you to assume command on my personal authority as Captain of the Enterprise."
In STIII he steals the Enterprise to travel to Genesis, even though it is planet forbidden.
That's just off the top of my head.

 

[Vger23]

I would think in an old school "normal" season of 24 episodes, they would have been able to explore the bridge crew and other secondary characters more. Those would be considered filler episodes, which I do miss, but the faster paced 10-13 episode seasons can be pretty good too.

I think it’s a ripe opportunity for some Short Treks

 

[Discofan]

But it's not consistent with the 24th century, where navigation wears red. On the other hand, this is the 32nd century and things could have changed again.

If it's anything like the post office here, they would have changed about a hundred times.

 

[fireproof78]

but the faster paced 10-13 episode seasons can be pretty good too.

This is my preference too. The bridge crew I know enough about that I care about them but I don't need full episodes dedicated to them.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I think it’s a ripe opportunity for some Short Treks

I'm hoping for a Saru - Sukal - Kaminar short myself. Not just because Doug Jones, which is enough of a reason, but the new Kaminar looked really cool. They could show some Kelpians realizing he's "that" Saru. The one the great prophet Siranna wrote about.

Maybe even Siranna's grandchildren.

This is my preference too. The bridge crew I know enough about that I care about them but I don't need full episodes dedicated to them.

I'll always be on the fence. I grew up with 24-26 episode seasons of shows, not to mention later stuff like TNG. But Orphan Black really showed me a 10 episode season can be really exciting too, and the Mandalorian, and even these later Star Treks.

 

[Jellico]

I wasn't sure if Vance was going to end up being a bad guy. I’m thinking of bad admirals from past shows and movies. I think, by the end of this episode, it’s demonstrated to me that he’s not a bad admiral.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Also the others can see Grey...Why? Is that the holodeck somehow interacting with the symbiant?

I assume to holo AI sensed his presence like it did for Culber, Saru and Adira. How or why it could so this, i don't know. Perhaps is can read "brain waves" or something.

 

[jackoverfull]

Kirk prefers to ignore orders from bureaucrats like Fox, Baris, Helford and Ferris when his ship or crew are in danger.

I reember Kirk questioning but *following* Fox's orders. But I don't remember much of that episode.

Baris has no authority over Kirk. When he gets starfleet to issue an order Kirk follows it to the letter.

If you mean Hedford, she is a civilian and, again, has no authority over Kirk. Also, Kirk has no control over the situation, so I've no idea of what are you talking about.

Ferris is not part of the chain of command and, again, has zero authority over Kirk. Kirk follows starfleet's orders a bit creatively in that episode, but to the letter.

He also countermands Decker, who has assumed command of the Enterprise in Doomsday Machine.
"Blast regulations! Mister Spock, I order you to assume command on my personal authority as Captain of the Enterprise."

As the quote you yourself report, it's within his authority to remove Decker. As it's pointed out in the episode, Decker will have the chance to forward a formal complaint to starfleet.

In STIII he steals the Enterprise to travel to Genesis, even though it is planet forbidden.

As I wrote, I'm referring to the series, not the movies. This is of course the major offender and the prime responsible for his reputation.

 

[fireproof78]

I'll always be on the fence. I grew up with 24-26 episode seasons of shows, not to mention later stuff like TNG. But Orphan Black really showed me a 10 episode season can be really exciting too, and the Mandalorian, and even these later Star Treks.

I did too. But, it got to the point where I could not keep up. It was frustrating and I hated long seasons because you miss one and pretty much got left out in the cold by friends. So, shorter is a bit easier for me, and I don't feel like I am missing anything.

I assume to holo AI sensed his presence like it did for Culber, Saru and Adira. How or why it could so this, i don't know. Perhaps is can read "brain waves" or something.

32nd technology obviously will fix it.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I wasn't sure if Vance was going to end up being a bad guy. I’m thinking of bad admirals from past shows and movies. I think, by the end of this episode, it’s demonstrated to me that he’s not a bad admiral.

Ross was 100% "gray area", but not "bad". Admiral Paris was a good guy. Nechayev wasn't "bad", but maybe a little high strung at times.

I think there were very few "bad" Admirals in comparison to the whole list, we just remember those ones a little better.