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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

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Ya but giant city sized spaces in a ship is up there with the space salamanders as on of the worst Trek has ever done

Not in a ship that’s big enough to accommodate them.

And... that’s a bold claim in a franchise that gave us Picard’s evil twin, brain theft, Crusher’s sex ghost, space hippies, a transparent rip-off of Mass Effect’s Reapers, and basically the entirety of Voyager.
 
If I never see Q again I wouldn't miss him. But if the price I have to pay for some top notch performances by Bill Irwin and Doug Jones is a dilithium mutant linked to subspace I'm willing to pay it.
I suspect that highlights why our reactions differ. I like mysteries, looking for clues, and figuring things out. Both in real life and fiction. That's not always possible in fiction but I like at least a semblance of it being possible. That didn't fit that mold at all for the reasons you state! I just wasn't going to figure out that one out! The fact that the science was SO bad didn't help. I don't require total scientific accuracy (this is ST after all) but that was particularly egregious!

I can honestly see why if you place more value on the performance, then you'd be OK with the resolution. I thought the performances were great too, but without that other part, it just didn't work for me. However, speaking of Doug Jones, man, he was a real highlight of this season for me. I've always like his portrayal of Saru. But, I loved how he became is own, unique type of captain this season. A type of captain that was entirely in line with his character. So, I agree, excellent performances and Doug Jones was a highlight for me throughout the season.

But, that didn't make the resolution satisfying for me.
 
Well, it's important to me in a season that has a season long mystery arc! I certainly enjoyed aspects and episodes along the way.

I tend to find most Trek satisfying, which is why I'm here.
Fair point.

I find Trek satisfying because of the characters not solving mysteries.
 
I suspect that highlights why our reactions differ. I like mysteries, looking for clues, and figuring things out. Both in real life and fiction. That's not always possible in fiction but I like at least a semblance of it being possible. That didn't fit that mold at all for the reasons you state! I just wasn't going to figure out that one out! The fact that the science was SO bad didn't help. I don't require total scientific accuracy (this is ST after all) but that was particularly egregious!

I can honestly see why if you place more value on the performance, then you'd be OK with the resolution. I thought the performances were great too, but without that other part, it just didn't work for me. However, speaking of Doug Jones, man, he was a real highlight of this season for me. I've always like his portrayal of Saru. But, I loved how he became is own, unique type of captain this season. A type of captain that was entirely in line with his character. So, I agree, excellent performances and Doug Jones was a highlight for me throughout the season.

But, that didn't make the resolution satisfying for me.
Yeah, I'm more into the character stuff. I think that's at the heart of what Star Trek is. I'm not sure where the science was egregious in the Su K'al portions of the episode. It seemed to be built on Trek pseudo science: dilithium, subspace and what have you rather than actual science.
 
Yeah, I'm more into the character stuff. I think that's at the heart of what Star Trek is. I'm not sure where the science was egregious in the Su K'al portions of the episode. It seemed to be built on Trek pseudo science: dilithium, subspace and what have you rather than actual science.
Like I said to Fireproof, we obviously have different priorities on other aspects, but I do like the characters as well.

Yeah, the dilithium/subspace mutant thing seemed worse than normal. But, maybe that's just me. :shrug:
 
Enjoyed it!

But I gotta say, I'm not crazy about the design work - the new uniforms (the costuming in general), and the ship designs as well, don't do it for me. Osyraa's ship design was just so generic. I hope the new uniforms will grow on me.

I thought the characters were great in this finale, Culber made leaps and bounds becoming one of the best. I'm a bit mixed on Saru not being Captain anymore. I hope he remains vital to season 4 and doesn't get sidelined. I also thought it was a shame they killed off Osyraa, because I liked her as a nemesis. Same goes with Ryn - wish they hadn't killed him off so soon, we barely got to explore his character and he could have added a unique perception to the show.

I hope we see more Andorians!
 
Like I said, I hope they grow on me!

I'm sure next season they'll be visiting a mix or brand new worlds and familiar worlds - I wonder which planets we'll be seeing. Any chances? Any particular worlds anyone would like to see them visit?

It'd be interesting to see Cardassia, Ferenginar, and Andor. I also wonder if they'll be sticking more to the Alpha/Beta quadrants, or if we'll get to see them branch into Gamma and Delta.
 
Most people don't read all of the comments and just look at the average so I like the average to be as accurate as possible. It's not a big deal really you are right about that it's just a rating on a fun forum rating


So its wrong to think this was up there with the worst Trek but absolutely fine to think its one of the best episodes ever.

I gave it a 1 and I often rate DIS harsh because I come on here after watching a mediocre episode to find 10s everywhers so I see it as a counterbalance to the DIS can do no wrong people


So, if we’re keeping score here....

You give episodes you consider “mediocre” (which is generally a 4-6) very low scores (1/2?) because...

1. Spite. “To hell with all these people who really like it. What a bunch of beef-witted applejohns THEY are...I’ll fix their wagons for enjoying something I don’t!”

2. Manipulation. “I hate that these ratings average so high because the majority of voters like the show and disagree with my perspective. I need to do my part for the minority cause and throw a ‘1’ in here to get this more in line with how I think it should look!!”

Cooool. Very cool.

Dude...come off of it. Life is too short.
 
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