Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

Are you sure you actually like Trek?

 

...Perhaps because they learned that the Emerald Chain is in the habit of throwing itching power in through those?

How was that supposed to work? Since when have starships been vulnerable to poison canisters being thrown at them?

Timo Saloniemi

 

A big 10 to finish the season. I had so much fun watching it.

Loved all of the feel-good moments throughout the episode, like Gray actually being able to receive a hug, or Saru finally bringing the other Kelpian around and leaving the safety of his holographic world. Burnham at the end with the crew in their new uniform was another awesome moment, even if I'm not sure about the new uniforms yet.

Burnham being captain is something that was destined from the show's origins, being as Burnham is the main character. I just wish it had happened under different circumstances as I love Saru so damn much. We'll still have him next season though, I guess.

 

Hey, what are the technical objections to mass-producing spore drives now that there's more than one person around who can activate one? I can't think of a limiting factor other than the number of empaths.

 

Agreed. That was 2 episodes that could have been spent on fleshing out the Emerald Chain or showing us more of the post-Burn Federation.

 

So, something I'm not really sure about. Why did Sa'Kul have to shut down the simulation? Was there something stopping them from beaming out while it was on?

I mean, thematically, it made sense, but logically it didn't. What they really needed was to be rescued from the planet, not out of the holodeck.

 

Which is basically a pandering, confused, obvious conclusion of last weeks' main storilines. There was literally nothing of interest there, one could skip the whole episode, read your two lines and go directly to the last few scenes without missing on anything.

Quite agreed on this.

And I did it. Twice. It's not what I wrote.

I said that there is almost no plot, almost everything can pretty much be summed up with eschaton's remarks above. As I already wrote, these three episodes could have been compressed down to two without any real loss.

Please don't ascribe to others emotions and intentions that are not necessarily there.

I added that because usually when someone criticises something about a discovery episode gets labeled as an "hater".

the upgrades were done with the same tecnology the other ships are supposed to have…

You would lose such bet quite easily. But even if that was not the case, consider that there was a 800 or so period of advancements before the middle ages in this series.

So it seems.

This is a very good observation. I wonder if the script was edited quite a few times, a bit like what happened with TMP, and the chase was at a ceertain point moved from the HQ to Discovery. This would explain the huge, nonsensical spaces and also why a lot of ideas from the previous episodes are either dropped completely or barely referenced.

 

So how fast exactly is their maximum warp now? I wish they gave us a sense of distance between destinations so we could get an idea.
Vulcan is very close to Earth and they got here in under an hour. They can’t be that far from Earth then

 

Good question. I *think* Saru wanted also to access to his mother's logs. One might imagine Grey might have been able to do it earlier in the episode, when he managed to exit the simulation, but that's probably incorrect as he couldn't phisically operate the consolles once he left the holodeck and lost his corporeal form.

 

I think they are deliberately staying away from this kind of "too scienty" answers. Can't blame them, honestly.

 

But that’s what makes Star Trek. It’s just Star Wars then.

 

Eh, Star Trek science has always been a bunch of bullshit. Though I admit that Kurtzman Trek is even more handwavy than in the past. I'm really getting sick of all of the explody planets with rocks floating in the sky for inexplicable reasons. It looks cool, but it's 100% fantasy.

In my mind what distinguishes Trek from Star Wars more is the following:

• Star Wars is a conservative/romanticist view that looks back to the past as a time of greatness. Star Trek is a progressive/utopian view that looks forward to the future.
• Star Wars is a universe of "chosen ones," fate, and destiny. Star Trek is a universe of free will and competent individuals working together as a team to get the job done.
• Star Wars is a universe of good versus evil. Star Trek is a universe where the antagonists who come up against the protagonists have their own agendas which are deeper than "evil for teh lulz."

 

I'm not sure I wan't to go there!

mmmhhh…buuuurn……

MMMHHH…burnhaaam

MMMHHH! Ok, saved at last minute last week. Phew.

 

And TOS has a parallel Earth in Miri, down to the use of the alphabet... There was no explanation apart from quoting a theory from Hodgkin. But DSC is the ‘magic’ one...?

 

Well, that -and several wonky stuff from TOS- has been widely criticised for decades. And mostly ignored when they tried to be more serious in the latter series (which, of course, slipped as well here and there).

But just because something didn't make in the 60s doesn't excuse things not making sense today.

 

There was more than a bit of a star wars vibe with the regulators (storm troopers) the sphere data/maintenance bots (r2-d2) and Book (hans solo)

 

Wasn't here more than one of these "period piece" planets in TOS ?

 

If the energy in the 32nd cent. phasers are tied into their systems, it's possible that "Hit them harder" is Vance telling them to go beyond an optimum maximum weapons capacity and perhaps cripple their own ships (take from life support, auxiliary shields, nacelles tractor beams) in order to destroy Discovery. Since HQ shares energy with the ships in order to power its distortion field, it could also be an order to release some of that energy to free them up to fire on Discovery (and Viridian).

Discovery's shield ability, at 50%, to shrug off an attack by an entire fleet is a testament to just how good shielding is in this time period, and in the ever-continuing arms race between shields and phasers, shielding is leaps ahead of phaser blasts at the moment. Phaser fights between two shielded ships are akin to a demolition derby between bumper cars.

 

So what race is Adria supposed to be? I was thinking Jayla’s from Beyond but she didn’t have those ear pieces

 

Adira is a human.

Holo Adira was a Xahean.