I enjoyed the silliness of that moment...and ENT’s elaborating on it years later.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"
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The crying and whispering stuff was mentioned even in this thread... Though mostly the crying.
Not the same person, a bunch of people coming from a site like a YouTube channel or Reddit page to review bomb the episode using quotes that were circulating on the site, like her "whispering." It was just the continuous referencing of it in a burst of posts ("USS Whisperer", "Ruined by whispering", "Burnham the Whisperer", "Whisper it... Not Star Trek", "What's with the whispering?" and more in the posts themselves) that made me think this was a group of people coming from the same site where that was a defining critique.
It's not based on any thorough evidence, it's just an observation, so there's no need to form a Warren Commission to sort this out, because I'm not wedded to any conspiracy. Nor does my comment invalidate someone independently arriving at their own observation that she was whispering too much. It was just something that made me go "hmmm" while reading all those extremely negative (one or two star out of ten) IMDb reviews clustered together making the same complaint.
I never even noticed whispering?? First I’ve heard about it. As for the crying, first Burnham sees her brother as an old man and learns what became of his life, and later she has a cathartic scene with the mother she’d spent the best part of her life believing to be dead. I’d say those tears are earned. If it was TNG of course, we’d see little emotion aside from a stoic gazing into the middle distance at the end of the episode. Because these are the ‘evolved humans’ who don’t even get upset at death according to Gene’s vision.
I just dread to think how these people reacted to Kira’s crying scene in “Battle Lines”...
I will admit that Burnham is very, very emotional for a woman raised on Vulcan. I would appreciate the occasional stoicism in some of her interactions, but I guess that's not her character anymore.
That's brilliant. And how exactly would I acquire said evidence, CSI: Pointless Internet Argument? Go on IMDb and question them all individually if they came from the same location? Hack their web history? All to justify what I have already said was just an offhand observation on my part? But congratulations on dying on this stupid hill to make this stupid point.
somewhere else on the ship probably.
Burnham is emotional because she is a human being. It's been stated multiple times in Trek that humans do not have the ability to supress emotions like vulcans do, but we can regulate our emotions better. Burnham unfortunately struggles with both.
Growing up on vulcan was not good for Burnham and is most definitely the source of her emotional issues.
well, if they were really sent there from a YouTube channel or reddit page it should be possible to find such a page, especially one so popular to mobilize so many people.
But we’ll, I guess I’m “stupid” if I say that with a complete lack of evidence it’s much easier to think that many people got to similar conclusions, especially conclusions justified by the fact that there is an inane amount of whispering in this episode.
Poking the moderator bear never ends well. Just let it go.
it was not i that said that someone’s point was “stupid”. Just saying.
Remember when Spock was suffering from Blood Fever and Kirk appointed Chekov as his XO? Or when Riker was given command in Best of Both Worlds and had Wesley by his side? Or how Lieutenant j.g. Nog became station commander after Sisko? Or when Archer had to choose between T'Pol and Travis for his first officer?
No, they're fine. It's just really strange to take what was clearly an offhand observation (and stated as such) with zero stakes and start demanding evidence for it like we're in a court of law. It is so not worth the time and effort.
Another strong entry.
Maybe even one of the best episodes yet for DSC.
Finally Spock’s dream of reunification between Vulcans and Romulans is a reality. I’m glad that they didn’t portray it as a perfect union but rather a work in progress.
I certainly didn’t expect Gabrielle on Ni’Var. I found it a bit too farfetched actually, but I guess it worked because a one off guest character probably would’ve never made this kind of deep connection with Michael.
After last weeks episode, I already realized Tilly would probably become the next Number One. She’s still an ensign, so her advancement to being first officer is a great leap, but I’m looking forward to her journey.
Now that they’ve got the data on the SB-19 experiment, we’re again one step closer to solving the origins of The Burn. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone within Starfleet or the Federation had something to do with it.
Maybe even one of the best episodes yet for DSC.
Finally Spock’s dream of reunification between Vulcans and Romulans is a reality. I’m glad that they didn’t portray it as a perfect union but rather a work in progress.
I certainly didn’t expect Gabrielle on Ni’Var. I found it a bit too farfetched actually, but I guess it worked because a one off guest character probably would’ve never made this kind of deep connection with Michael.
After last weeks episode, I already realized Tilly would probably become the next Number One. She’s still an ensign, so her advancement to being first officer is a great leap, but I’m looking forward to her journey.
Now that they’ve got the data on the SB-19 experiment, we’re again one step closer to solving the origins of The Burn. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone within Starfleet or the Federation had something to do with it.
I have a sinking feeling, given some of the creative choices so far, that origin of the burn will turn out to be some ridiculous mash-up of the remnants of Control and the future AI from Picard.
I really hope they don't do this but...
I really hope they don't do this but...
It's the quickest way to spot Midnight's Edge and Doomcock types, who don't actually know the show. Or those who are trying to pass themselves off as "old school" when they're not. They're posers who just say what they think sounds good or sounds right (in both senses of the word). That's why I don't bother with them or take what they say into consideration."James T. Kirk never cried"?
Has this person never seen TSFS and the moment Kirk learns his son has been killed? I know that would require being aware of the franchise which a lot of so-called fans clearly aren't.
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First of, I want to say that I enjoy the portrayal of Burnham.
That being said, she comes across as surprisingly emotional for somebody socialised on Vulcan. Probably comes down to old she was when she was adopted by Grayson and her husband.
The difference between having emotions and being prone to emotional outbursts is cultural. There are and there were Human societies that don't encourage that much public hugging, kissing, smiling etc. that Western, Mediterranean etc societies display nowadays. The Englanders I deal with at work are nothing like the emotionally controlled folk from Jane Austen's novels.
Now, let's cycle that observation back to Commander Burnham. She behaved in a Vulcanoid manner in 2249, after being rejected by the Vulcan Science Academy, and arriving on the USS Shenzhou. Reminiscent of 2374 Seven of Nine, except MIchael is moral instead of amoral.
Perhaps Georgiou successfully socialized Michael within the seven years aboard the Shenzhou. We've seen Seven of Nine make similar strides in the latter years of Voyager's sojourn, and in the subsequent Kirsten Beyer novels.
Perhaps it comes down to poise.
I believe the point is that Burnham is discovering her humanity as the series progresses. It's the kind of theme that Bryan Fuller loves to explore: someone coming out of a tragedy realizing that they are more alive than ever before.
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