Keep in mind Georgiou is showing knowledge of information out of her "time" on a few occasions so far. That might give you a clue.
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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"
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Tilly...?! F**k NO. I'm sorry, just NO. Dumb, dumb writing.
I had a feeling this was coming, just based on that promo image of Tilly and Saru in the ready room (and the scene in the previous episode where they discuss Burnham's absence).
I fully accept that there are others who will just love this idea and that's absolutely fine but for me it's pure, pure plot device at the whim of the writers. It's utterly jarring because its just so unrealistic, to the extent that it's more like fanw*nk from the writers. This is Nu-Kirk territory BS.
By all means develop the character (goodness knows, they do all need developing!) but an ensign a year from graduating above every other officer on the ship or an external candidate...?
I don't care how gifted, how clever or how good an intern straight out of med school might be -- I would not want them doing complex surgery or running a department.
I had a feeling this was coming, just based on that promo image of Tilly and Saru in the ready room (and the scene in the previous episode where they discuss Burnham's absence).
I fully accept that there are others who will just love this idea and that's absolutely fine but for me it's pure, pure plot device at the whim of the writers. It's utterly jarring because its just so unrealistic, to the extent that it's more like fanw*nk from the writers. This is Nu-Kirk territory BS.
By all means develop the character (goodness knows, they do all need developing!) but an ensign a year from graduating above every other officer on the ship or an external candidate...?
I don't care how gifted, how clever or how good an intern straight out of med school might be -- I would not want them doing complex surgery or running a department.
Just finished it.
In terms of ship names, we get USS Yelchin NCC-4774..., USS Giacconi NCC-316608, and USS Gov'Nor. Kudos for including non-Anglophone and non-Human names.
We don't learn their ship classes. We don't learn anything new about Starfleet ship classes, other than seeing refit Discovery in flight.
The SB-19 (sounded like SP-19 to me until i saw the CC) simulation includes a "new Constitution"-class ship.
We see Ni'Varan(?) sentry drones but no ships. Are there Vulcan warbirds? Perhaps the RetroDorsal carrier from 3125?
The unified society appears to be confined to just the planet, but I assume it's the entire star system.
Meaning the other Vulcan, Romulan and Reman colonies are independent. Obisek would be pleased.
It's a relief that the evolution of Vulcan does not contradict New Romulus and the Romulan Republic.
Side note: when V'Kir addressed N'Raj, I thought he called him "praetor". A fitting title for the leader of the Romulans on Ni'Var. Alas, it's just "peer".
In terms of ship names, we get USS Yelchin NCC-4774..., USS Giacconi NCC-316608, and USS Gov'Nor. Kudos for including non-Anglophone and non-Human names.
We don't learn their ship classes. We don't learn anything new about Starfleet ship classes, other than seeing refit Discovery in flight.
The SB-19 (sounded like SP-19 to me until i saw the CC) simulation includes a "new Constitution"-class ship.
We see Ni'Varan(?) sentry drones but no ships. Are there Vulcan warbirds? Perhaps the RetroDorsal carrier from 3125?
The unified society appears to be confined to just the planet, but I assume it's the entire star system.
Meaning the other Vulcan, Romulan and Reman colonies are independent. Obisek would be pleased.
It's a relief that the evolution of Vulcan does not contradict New Romulus and the Romulan Republic.
Side note: when V'Kir addressed N'Raj, I thought he called him "praetor". A fitting title for the leader of the Romulans on Ni'Var. Alas, it's just "peer".
Does anyone else get fed up with Burnham's breathy speeches and brimming eyes with nearly every line of dialogue? She's always awestruck or whispering in reverence, spouting some saccharine bs. Just once, I'd like her to talk like a normal person. Could hardly bear to watch her stuff lately and kind of forward through most of it.
Of all the crew, to me, she's the least likeable, and considering she's the star, for me at least, it's a drawback. I gave this episode 6/10 but I don't know how much more of Burnham I can take!
Of all the crew, to me, she's the least likeable, and considering she's the star, for me at least, it's a drawback. I gave this episode 6/10 but I don't know how much more of Burnham I can take!
Nope, her acting was terrific this episode and Burnham really shined as a flawed, complex but capable character. Season 3 is building her into one of the most interesting, well-rounded characters in the main cast of the Star Trek mythos.
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Oh btw, that thing had Romulan sounds!
Hmmm, her acting is okay, nothing special. For instance IMO Doug Jones is the stand out best actor on the set. I find Burnham to be tiresome. She's one dimensional if anything, always not following orders and always with those whispered, breathy quotes. I just find her irritating. Oh well. I'm a grump sod.
It's gratifying to see that even the unified society is not perfect, teething problems abound as with all such unification of societies in analogous Earth history.
This episode was a lot more grounded and believable than Unification II, with Sela and that silly plan to invade.
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This episode was a lot more grounded and believable than Unification II, with Sela and that silly plan to invade.
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So, this episode. Something of a whirlwind this week, my score went to more highs and lows than a Vulcan huffing alien spores.
Vulcan/Ni'var: loved the update here, great worldbuilding, a really nice uplifting continuation of the story started in TNG, and weaved in elements of Picard very nicely. Why would Vulcans leave the Federation? Well actually, that makes sense. They've not exactly been team players when we've seen them. Snooty and aloof, largely. Made me really wonder about the rest of what was Vulcan and Romulans territory - are they still unified too?
Loved the vulcan PhD viva ritual, seemed so perfect for a society built on science to have such a process, and by God wouldn't it be something to have a procedure like that today? Good use of the Qowat Milat as advocates, they fit perfectly into the idea of the ritual and I like the idea of an advocate whose only master is truth.
Tilly as first officer....... yeah. That happened. Tilly's great and all, but she's an Ensign, green and inexperienced. It's not only an enormous risk making her XO, it's not fair to her either. She's got a career to learn and grow, and putting her in that position robs her of those experiences. It would have made much more sense to select any of the bridge lieutenants, and make Tilly something else with some responsibility. I'm pretty good at accepting sentiment in place of internal logic, but that went over the line. Imagine telling Admiral Beard that you picked an Ensign as your number one!
Burnham. Burnham, Burnham, Burnham. What are they doing with her? Several times this season, heck twice this episode, you have the show hanging a lantern on her messiah complex, her need to take responsibility for everything, her over earnest speechifying. You'd assume from that that they intend to lead somewhere with it - have her confront those traits maybe, or learn, or change. But consistently the story keeps reinforcing them instead. If you're going to do that, why keep referencing it?
I actually loved the ending to the episode's dilemma, where she shows she is trustworthy by trusting them, felt very classically Star Trek, but the show does not back down from the melodrama for one minute. Could everyone not cry for one week? Just one?
Vulcan/Ni'var: loved the update here, great worldbuilding, a really nice uplifting continuation of the story started in TNG, and weaved in elements of Picard very nicely. Why would Vulcans leave the Federation? Well actually, that makes sense. They've not exactly been team players when we've seen them. Snooty and aloof, largely. Made me really wonder about the rest of what was Vulcan and Romulans territory - are they still unified too?
Loved the vulcan PhD viva ritual, seemed so perfect for a society built on science to have such a process, and by God wouldn't it be something to have a procedure like that today? Good use of the Qowat Milat as advocates, they fit perfectly into the idea of the ritual and I like the idea of an advocate whose only master is truth.
Tilly as first officer....... yeah. That happened. Tilly's great and all, but she's an Ensign, green and inexperienced. It's not only an enormous risk making her XO, it's not fair to her either. She's got a career to learn and grow, and putting her in that position robs her of those experiences. It would have made much more sense to select any of the bridge lieutenants, and make Tilly something else with some responsibility. I'm pretty good at accepting sentiment in place of internal logic, but that went over the line. Imagine telling Admiral Beard that you picked an Ensign as your number one!
Burnham. Burnham, Burnham, Burnham. What are they doing with her? Several times this season, heck twice this episode, you have the show hanging a lantern on her messiah complex, her need to take responsibility for everything, her over earnest speechifying. You'd assume from that that they intend to lead somewhere with it - have her confront those traits maybe, or learn, or change. But consistently the story keeps reinforcing them instead. If you're going to do that, why keep referencing it?
I actually loved the ending to the episode's dilemma, where she shows she is trustworthy by trusting them, felt very classically Star Trek, but the show does not back down from the melodrama for one minute. Could everyone not cry for one week? Just one?
I’m the person I am because of my grandfather. I honour him everyday with the work I do, yet I never speak his name. No one I work with would know who he is or was.They’re right about Spock becoming the person he was from Michael. He just wouldn’t shut up about her.
You don’t have to constantly mention someone to honour them. Especially a Vulcan.
Agree with this. I'm starting to really dislike her. This is part of the reason why.
But we all know it was Spock’s other other brother, Spork that he got his inspiration from. His story is forthcoming.
Yeah, Spork who was often invited to picnics...
Definitely not the latter as it couldn't be named after something it supposedly caused without creating a causality paradox.
How so? The Vulcans label an experiment to logically reflect the year it will be tried out; they try it out; it crashes and Burns (as far as they can tell).
Watching that "Unification II" clip about Spock, I also wonder if he didn't cause the destruction of Romulus. After all, he did seem to think diplomacy would not suffice... And, with what we now know was an advance warning of years, he still manages to be conveniently late to stop Romulus from being pulverized, but nicely stops the supernova immediately thereafter.
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Watching that "Unification II" clip about Spock, I also wonder if he didn't cause the destruction of Romulus. After all, he did seem to think diplomacy would not suffice... And, with what we now know was an advance warning of years, he still manages to be conveniently late to stop Romulus from being pulverized, but nicely stops the supernova immediately thereafter.
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Picard yelled at Wesley when the latter self-proclaimed himself as the Enterprise's acting Captain and Chief Engineer. The show runners seem to be doing the opposite here, promoting the talented yet relatively inexperienced Tilly as Acting XO right now instead of waiting until S6 or S7 where presumably she would've gained more bridge experience that would've made her deserve such a promotion
I concur w/you on this as well. Discovery is clearly getting better and better and I enjoy watching other main characters. However, Burnham remains the weakest link of the series and IMO it would've been better if they give some of her arc to other characters. For instance, Saru could've accompanied Adira in her vision-quest visit to the Trill symbiont pool instead of Burnham and I think he would've done at least 95 percent of what she had done during the visit as well.
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But why would Vulcans use Earth's calendar instead of stardates or their local calendar, whatever that might be?
This season wrapped in February, I think a direct Covid reference is unlikely, especially mid season.
This is the real difference. TNG was ripped to threads when it done something stupid even by TNG fans whereas all we get from DIS fans is "Tilly being captain is odd" followed by a 9/10 rating for an average episode
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