Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"
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Well, I’m not in the habit of defending claims I haven’t made, but I’ll clarify what I said: there are very old exploits left in Windows. I’m not saying there’s an exact parallel between how those exploits are executed. Then the response came regarding Windows crashing. It’s very easy to cause a crash in Windows given 5 seconds. Your input into a PC is clearly different to the interaction with holograms or androids or AI. It’s keyboard/mouse vs interaction with their visual or audio receptors. You can’t crash Windows by pressing space repeatedly but you can’t crash it by pressing a number of keys in sequence. I don’t know how many times she blinked, but I could cause Windows to crash with just a few clicks or just a few keystrokes or with a file that was clicked once and created on the fly. It really is simple stuff.
Jim Kirk joined SF because Pike dared him to do better than his dad. When he met Prime Spock, his question was if Prime Kirk knew his father. It's pretty clear.
still the difference to blinking, which is a normal input the holos see all the time, at a frequency of 5-10 Hz for just a few seconds, is rather large
but thanks for elaborating - how could just a few clicks or keystrokes (no special files, native system) cause it to crash?
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still the difference to blinking, which is a normal input the holos see all the time, at a frequency of 5-10 Hz for just a few seconds, is rather large
but thanks for elaborating - how could just a few clicks or keystrokes (no special files, native system) cause it to crash?
Sure. You hit the windows key. You open command prompt. You press a few keys. It instantly crashes. I obviously don’t think it’s a great idea to post it here, but I’ve typed about 10 times the amount of text in this reply than it would take to crash the system. Actually, the second sentence of this post is around enough. If you want me to send it to you, I can. It is even easier with a mouse. Damn, you could even make it completely non-functional if you wanted. Though I won’t send that one!
Sure, but that's a lot more complex than repeating a single input a few times. Blinking is like pushing one button.
Beyer's writing is unique in the series in that you can easily see how each of her episodes could actually be a novel she might have written.
A big fat 9. It didn't hit the highs of the Trill episode, but there were so many great parts.
The Spock scene from the original Unification episodes was perfect really. That was my first moment of welling up.
It was so interesting learning what had become of the Vulcans and Romulans in this time. And Burnham's mother turning up on Ni'Var was certainly an unexpected jolt, however. It's good to see her again, in much less routinely perilous scenes.
Saru asking Tilly to be his new First Officer was my second moment of welling up, especially when the crew all told her yes together. She has come such a long way, and I can really see how Saru has come to this decision based on this season.
The Spock scene from the original Unification episodes was perfect really. That was my first moment of welling up.
It was so interesting learning what had become of the Vulcans and Romulans in this time. And Burnham's mother turning up on Ni'Var was certainly an unexpected jolt, however. It's good to see her again, in much less routinely perilous scenes.
Saru asking Tilly to be his new First Officer was my second moment of welling up, especially when the crew all told her yes together. She has come such a long way, and I can really see how Saru has come to this decision based on this season.
The blinking is done in a specific pattern, as are the key presses. I’d find it easier to press a few keys than time the blinks. Like I say, the input is different because the machine is different. I’m not saying you can hit the same key, but a few keys if you know the sequence... sure. That’s not a big difference. The big difference is that it’s an exploit in a system that only a few people know about. Everything the machine sees or hears is an input that needs to be processed. I’d have preferred something logic based or something recursive that they’d have to process causing a shut down, but I guess they went with what they could think of. As a representation, it’s okay. Blinking is a bit of a stretch, but not anything (to bring this to a close with my original point) as silly as silly killy Tilly being the XO.
I’m Mr. ‘Defend the honour of Discovery’ but that’s indefensible. It can only be a sensible thing to do if the Admiral finds out and goes mad at Saru. If it’s a plot point used as a device to bring about legitimate change, then that’s totally fine. If it’s to get Tilly in a position of power, I hate it. That would be the first major choice in the show that I actually hate.
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Oh, I forgot to rate this episode yesterday.... I give it an 8ish
Well, I'm probably so unsensitised by the previous episodes that i don't really notice it anymore unless it's major…Knew it would happen!
Same goes with the whispering, which in this episode was really major.
I don't think they're using proper virtual sets this season yet…And yes, this was definitely a bottle episode: everything took place on the ship or in the starfleet sets we've seen already.
Surprise? The only surprise is that there wasn't more of it.
We don't know because the crew might as well be cardboard cutouts placed in the background
I'm also amazed some fans are so incredulous about the Tilly character becoming the acting executive officer; yet they had no issue whatsoever with chief medical officer Beverly Crusher, being given command of the Federation flagship in a combat situation with the Borg; And they were all cheering when in TNG's season 7 episode "All Good Things', she had a command of her own.
Seriously? When would you ever give command of a starship to the chief medical officer in any situation where there was any other combat trained officer available; yet I don't think I've ever seen TNG fans complain about the absurdity of that in TNG's season 6 episode, "Descent". personally I thought that was one of the most ludicrous things they ever had Jean-Luc Picard do; IE - Hand the ship over to the chief medical officer. I seem to recall that when they have the characters of Crusher and Troi discuss how Beverly Crusher qualified; Crusher mentioned she took some night courses in Command...
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But yeah TNG fans are all fine with this.
Not quite. Many of us screamed bloody murder when Wesley appointed himself Acting Captain of the Enterprise and Chief Engineer in "The Naked Now.'' His actions clearly made the situation aboard the Enterprise -- with its crew being infected by the ''love'' virus increasingly worst, although the fact that Wesley was also infected seems to have mitigated further disciplinary action.
As for his mother, I agree taking some 'night course' in command is probably insufficient to give Beverly command of any starship - let alone 'the Enterprise' for the long haul. However, she was the most senior-ranked bridge officer abroad the Enterprise, as the others were part of the away mission to bring Picard back from the Borg cube. At the end of the day Starfleet is a military organization and when you're in the military, the most senior officer within a base or in a vessel would assume command when both the Commanding Officer and the XO are not available. Beverly happened to be the most senior officer available in this particular instance, hence she took in the duty and as seen in BOBW, did a decent job in her role.
Another 8 for me.
This series for me is really hitting good notes. I liked this episode a lot, not sure why we needed to start it with Michael sexy time, but it is what it is and Book is a great match for her.
I loved that they brought up Spock as having succeeded in his hopes to reunite the Vulcans and the Romulans. This was his intent in TNG and it's nice to know he succeeded, but also sad that it didn't happen within his lifetime. There are some nice links to the Picard show with the sisters of the kowat milat (spelling) still being around.
However I did not expect her advocate to be her fricking mother. So even she lost course and didn't return to Teralysium when she rubber banded back to her future. I wonder what became of her time suit. Nice loose end there that no one brings up. Even damaged it would still be worth it to some people.
Michael is great at giving speeches and seems she won them over in the end because they received the data that they were after. I'm reminded of something. There was a recording they played at the beginning of the series to do with the burn. I don't know if anyone picked it up or it was just me but there was a small tiny snippet of a voice and it sounded a hell of a lot like Spock. Maybe a production glitch but it to me sounded like his voice or a snippet of it anyway.
I see that they have changed the spore drive. I couldn't see any more spinning saucer, or the barrel roll we are so used to. I'm going to miss all the spinning.
Overall a great episode and definitely worth a rewatch for me.
This series for me is really hitting good notes. I liked this episode a lot, not sure why we needed to start it with Michael sexy time, but it is what it is and Book is a great match for her.
I loved that they brought up Spock as having succeeded in his hopes to reunite the Vulcans and the Romulans. This was his intent in TNG and it's nice to know he succeeded, but also sad that it didn't happen within his lifetime. There are some nice links to the Picard show with the sisters of the kowat milat (spelling) still being around.
However I did not expect her advocate to be her fricking mother. So even she lost course and didn't return to Teralysium when she rubber banded back to her future. I wonder what became of her time suit. Nice loose end there that no one brings up. Even damaged it would still be worth it to some people.
Michael is great at giving speeches and seems she won them over in the end because they received the data that they were after. I'm reminded of something. There was a recording they played at the beginning of the series to do with the burn. I don't know if anyone picked it up or it was just me but there was a small tiny snippet of a voice and it sounded a hell of a lot like Spock. Maybe a production glitch but it to me sounded like his voice or a snippet of it anyway.
I see that they have changed the spore drive. I couldn't see any more spinning saucer, or the barrel roll we are so used to. I'm going to miss all the spinning.
Overall a great episode and definitely worth a rewatch for me.
It will definitely happen. Just look at how today everybody's ancestry can be traced to several different countries and imagine after a thousands years of interstellar colonization.
Well, mind melds were originally presented as an ancient practice that vulcans didn't really do anymore, perhaps we're back at that again? Also, it's obviously very personal…
The saucer does still spin and it does barrel roll, it's just a hell of a lot quicker. I think the angle of the shot made it a bit hard to see.
They didn't go back at the same time, IIRC, so maybe the suit ended up at Terralysium and at a different time
I watched this late since I didn't have to get up early and I was half asleep... I kept thinking: "wait, what?", but upon a further communal re-viewing I think this might be the best episode of the season, even with the completely ridiculous promotion of Tilly.
The convenient appearance of Burnham's mother is also a problem, but both these issues are rendered almost moot by dramatic fireworks that really deepen her character and historical world building. Kudos to Kirsten Beyer for all her knowledgeable touches.
This episode could have been a 10 but I'll give it a 9.25 (9 on the BBS scale).
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The convenient appearance of Burnham's mother is also a problem, but both these issues are rendered almost moot by dramatic fireworks that really deepen her character and historical world building. Kudos to Kirsten Beyer for all her knowledgeable touches.
This episode could have been a 10 but I'll give it a 9.25 (9 on the BBS scale).
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Why are we even comparing Tilly's situation to Wesley? She's not some random teenager. She's a commissioned officer at least a decade his senior, who, quite frankly, has been through much more during the two years she had spent on Discovery than, let's say, Harry Kim over the same period. She already has experience of operating under pressure and has shown considerable development in this season to the point of being downright confident last week. Not to mention, they're 930 years in the future and down to 88 people without any signs of getting fully integrated into Future Starfleet's organization any time soon. So their personnel resources are limited and this is the kind of situation that calls for unorthodox measures up to and including circumventing the chain of command to assign people to positions where they would be the most useful. It's not like she would've been given the position if they were still in the 23rd century. Still, Saru certainly thinks she's shown during the last several episodes that she's competent enough to be at least given a chance until he evaluates a replacement. Whether he's right remains to be seen. Discovery doesn't usually shy away from exploring the consequences and implications of controversial decisions; just remember how people complained that the Tardigrade was being used as a pack animal in a very un-Trek-like fashion and then they promptly addressed and resolved it in the very next episode.
And like it or not, giving the position to Supporting Character 03 simply based on seniority wouldn't have had the same emotional impact. Saying that this would give the writers more opportunities to flesh out, let's say, Nilsson... why should they? Why would they need to focus on supporting and bit characters at all? Did Voyager feel the need to flesh out Joe Carey or Ayala? Did DS9 give Michael Eddington any personality at all before making him a Maquis infiltrator? They had twice as many episodes per season and still chose to limit whom to focus on.
Also, could we please let go of this idea of Starfleet being the United States Navy? That ship has already sailed decades ago when Captains Kirk and Picard were allowed to date their own subordinates without any repercussions, crews were allowed to stay together for decades and crew members were allowed to take their families with themselves. Starfleet is, and has always been more like an unholy amalgamation of NASA, a research university and a diplomatic corps, usage of US naval ranks notwithstanding.
And like it or not, giving the position to Supporting Character 03 simply based on seniority wouldn't have had the same emotional impact. Saying that this would give the writers more opportunities to flesh out, let's say, Nilsson... why should they? Why would they need to focus on supporting and bit characters at all? Did Voyager feel the need to flesh out Joe Carey or Ayala? Did DS9 give Michael Eddington any personality at all before making him a Maquis infiltrator? They had twice as many episodes per season and still chose to limit whom to focus on.
Also, could we please let go of this idea of Starfleet being the United States Navy? That ship has already sailed decades ago when Captains Kirk and Picard were allowed to date their own subordinates without any repercussions, crews were allowed to stay together for decades and crew members were allowed to take their families with themselves. Starfleet is, and has always been more like an unholy amalgamation of NASA, a research university and a diplomatic corps, usage of US naval ranks notwithstanding.
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