Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"

[picardjean-luc]

I like Tilly but I think it's absurd to make her XO. If they somehow lacked a suitable candidate onboard, surely Starfleet would have a few candidates, especially considering the limited size of the fleet.

Put it this way...if Riker was killed in BoBW, what would we think about Picard promoting Wesley to first officer? Or Ensign Nog replacing Kira? Or Kim replacing Chuckles? Mayweather replacing T'Pol? All reasonably capable officers, but none of them ready to be second in command yet.

Exactly. All those jokes about 'Acting Captain' and 'Acting Chief Engineer' Wesley Crusher from early TNG will now be applied to Tilly. And they might overshadowed her character and talent, which I think are plentiful and still has lots of growth potential.

 

[Noname Given]

Ohh, can we see Tilly take the Kobayashi Maru?

We never saw Spock take the Kobayashi Maru, art Riker or Chatokay. In fact we've only seen lieutenant Savik in Star Trek Ii; And while we knew Kirk took the test, We only saw the alternate universe version of him taking it in JJ Abrams Star Trek 2009.

As others have mentioned who else in the crew had actual command experience; or have been through the executive officer training program?

Tilly was it. Also it hasn't been a year that she's served on the ship prior to the time jump; It was 2 years; so no it's not as if she's just fresh out of the academy.

I'm also amazed some fans are so incredulous about the Tilly character becoming the acting executive officer; yet they had no issue whatsoever with chief medical officer Beverly Crusher, being given command of the Federation flagship in a combat situation with the Borg; And they were all cheering when in TNG's season 7 episode "All Good Things', she had a command of her own.

Seriously? When would you ever give command of a starship to the chief medical officer in any situation where there was any other combat trained officer available; yet I don't think I've ever seen TNG fans complain about the absurdity of that in TNG's season 6 episode, "Descent". personally I thought that was one of the most ludicrous things they ever had Jean-Luc Picard do; IE - Hand the ship over to the chief medical officer. I seem to recall that when they have the characters of Crusher and Troi discuss how Beverly Crusher qualified; Crusher mentioned she took some night courses in Command...
^^^
But yeah TNG fans are all fine with this.

 

[fireproof78]

When we think of famous figures, we don't think or care about their close family members.

I do. That's part of why I study history in my spare time is to learn about the relatives of famous people. it makes them more relatable. A whole lot more.

Although, did Picard's combadge record that conversation? Man privacy in the 24th Century is practically non-existant. Everything is recorded in detail.

The Voyager's computer monitors people's brain waves. What's privacy?

Thank You proved exactly what I said would happen. Straight on crying whataboutery.
Yes Wesley was crap too but the difference is TNG fans can admit that

Really? Tilly is a poor choice...seen that being posted a ton of times even before the episode aired. We have like three threads dedicated to it. This issue has been dissected like it was a corpse on Bones.

But, by all means, continue on. It's all in good fun I'm sure.

 

[Yistaan]

I'd feel more comfortable with Tilly being named XO if it also had come with a promotion to lieutenant too or something. At least Kelvinverse Kirk was a lieutenant when he snuck aboard Enterprise.

He was a cadet

 

[fireproof78]

He was a cadet

As well as a lieutenant, like Saavik in TWOK.

 

[Paul755]

I guess I’m just not a fan of the episodes where they visit the former “member worlds”. Didn’t like the Earth episode, the Trill episode or this one.

put me down for a 5.

No need to rehash XO Tilly other than to say I’m not a fan.

didn’t like Burnhams mom being one of the Warrior Nuns. Although, I do like the Warrior Nuns. And having the trial turn into a mother/daughter moment was weird.

they did pick a good flashback of Spock to use though.

Did pick up a hint that we might see Spock and that Starfleet may not be what they seem. I really hope I’m wrong on both. But maybe more so on Starfleet.

 

[Cyrus]

Loved it , gave it a 9.

Solid script as usual by Kristen Beyer, and nice way of adding connection to Picard via the "Absolute Candor" sisters.

I have to admit I did get a little misty when Nimoy's Spock was speaking.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Good with a 7.

Water works per the usual. Liked the Spock beats. Mom being the nun was a bit rich, but I liked the way it played out. Mom kicking her ass, Burnham withdrawing the request.

Would have liked it better if they had left it there, but, you know, the plot must advance, so we get the data as well.

Tilly as FO was 100% predictable.

I watched a random Enterprise episode from S4 on H&I later on and liked it better.

I like the episodic shows better.

 

[CorporalClegg]

It's no different from Cadet to Captain Kirk in Star Trek 2009, which was equally absurd.

It's completely different. A not just because of the obvious fact one was in during a state of emergency and the other isn't.

From a subtextual standpoint, the main theme of the entire Kelvin trilogy is the oft nebulous "destiny" - or more specifically, different paths; similar fate. So much of the set up of the first film was to establish that, while they may have different origins (and literally be different people) they're still the same Kirk and Spock we all know and love. with Pine literally winking at the audience during the Kobayashi Maru.

From a contextual standpoint, Pike's whole arc revolves around him trying to prove he can turn Kirk into his father - whom he obviously idolizes. His promoting Kirk to be Spock's XO (and then again when he believes his theory proven correct and promotes Kirk to full captain) was purely an emotional decision and devoid or rational thought. And he owns up to it in the opening scenes of the subsequent film.

 

[Paul755]

Good with a 7.

Water works per the usual. Liked the Spock beats. Mom being the nun was a bit rich, but I liked the way it played out. Mom kicking her ass, Burnham withdrawing the request.

Would have liked it better if they had left it there, but, you know, the plot must advance, so we get the data as well.

Tilly as FO was 100% predictable.

I watched a random Enterprise episode from S4 on H&I later on and liked it better.

I like the episodic shows better.

ha, I watched tonight’s Enterprise episode on H&I too. The one with the Organians right? I like that one too.

 

[thribs]

The most shocking thing about this episode is learning that Tilly and Michael still share a room

 

[Yistaan]

It's completely different. A not just because of the obvious fact one was in during a state of emergency and the other isn't.

From a subtextual standpoint, the main theme of the entire Kelvin trilogy is the oft nebulous "destiny" - or more specifically, different paths; similar fate. So much of the set up of the first film was to establish that, while they may have different origins (and literally be different people) they're still the same Kirk and Spock we all know and love. with Pine literally winking at the audience during the Kobayashi Maru.

From a contextual standpoint, Pike's whole arc revolves around him trying to prove he can turn Kirk into his father - whom he obviously idolizes. His promoting Kirk to be Spock's XO (and then again when he believes his theory proven correct and promotes Kirk to full captain) was purely an emotional decision and devoid or rational thought. And he owns up to it in the opening scenes of the subsequent film.

Kelvin Pike doesn't know anything about Prime Kirk. Kelvin Kirk is just some cadet no different than Tilly, and even has less experience than Tilly at the time. Who Kelvin Kirk's dad was is irrelevant to who Kelvin Kirk is and "destiny" etc. is something that has no place in Star Trek or Starfleet. This isn't Star Wars.

 

[Saul]

Despite the obligatory crying this was a good episode. This and the return to earth were good episodes, I like seeing the crew dealing with what they used to know and how it's changed.
7 episodes in though and still no answers to anything. Frustrating like season 2 was.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Kelvin Pike doesn't know anything about Prime Kirk. Kelvin Kirk is just some cadet no different than Tilly, and even has less experience than Tilly at the time. Who Kelvin Kirk's dad was is irrelevant to who Kelvin Kirk is and "destiny" etc. is something that has no place in Star Trek or Starfleet. This isn't Star Wars.

Find a dictionary; look up "subtext."

*Oh and arguing that "destiny has no place in Star Trek" is a bit ridiculous considered one of its most popular series is completely based upon it on a conceptual level. Nevermind the obvious gatekeeping bullshit of it all.

 

[TheMadCloner]

Another note (no pun intended):

The music/score continues to be stellar. The score during the scene where Burnham refuses to add Ni'Var to the list of the Burn's casualties is amazing; a great hybridization of the Vulcan theme and the Discovery theme music, terrifically understated but adding so much emotional weight to the scene. I'm getting Thomas Newman vibes from the score, in a very good way.

 

[Skipper]

Nah - they just DID have body cameras built in the 24th century badges; but it was so common Picard and Co. never really gave that much thought (or EVER commented on it ) <-- That's my story and I'm sticking to it .

I mean, TODAY probably we could create something like those badges. Who knows what they could cram in them in three centuries?

 

[thribs]

I’ve heard this commbadge theory but I doubt they had cameras in them. That sounds like a privacy issue. I think in the 24th century they were beacons and communicators. That’s it

 

[JoeZhang]

It's likely from a copy of the memories of the Picard Android after it packed in.

 

[TPezz]

So, uh, what happened to Mama Burnhams angel suit?

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's likely from a copy of the memories of the Picard Android after it packed in.

It could be from Data's memories as well.