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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"
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Not from what I've seen.
I think the problem many TNG fans have with ST: D in general is that overall TNG was (like the Picard character) very stoic; and while overall it wasn't emotionless in how in presented the characters and their reactions (and again, there were always exceptions to this from time to time, but not often); generally everything was emotionally subdued.
ST: D is the polar opposite of that (and more like the original TOS in this regard too) in that it's VERY emotional in how it presents nearly every situation, It embraces character drama whereas TNG more often embraced plot drama.
It's a stark difference that I think a lot of fans who really enjoyed TNG can't get their heads around; and it feels way too different to them as a result.
I'm a diehard TOS fans, so I honestly like the ST: D approach to storytelling a lot more, because that is more how TOS did it;
but yeah, I do think they go a bit overboard with it at times too. I also think that is a result of 12-14 episodes a season as opposed to the 24-26 episodes a season when TNG was in first run syndication.
Because it seems to happen in every single episode of Discovery and has sort of become an in-joke.
For those of you who remember WKRP in Cincinnati...it was like Les Nessman. In every episode, he would have a band-aid or some type of bandage or injury.
Angels and ministers of grace defend us!
Nah - they just DID have body cameras built in the 24th century badges; but it was so common Picard and Co. never really gave that much thought (or EVER commented on it
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Nah - they just DID have body cameras built in the 24th century badges; but it was so common Picard and Co. never really gave that much thought (or EVER commented on it
Gillian asked how they could see the whales... She never got an answer... or maybe she did off-screen.
Sybok: Hi everyone, I'm back! I didn't die, I was sent 900 years into the future too! Is the president of Ni'var going to greet me too?
TILLY: Wow. I always thought, like, that I'd be The Seven Year Ensign, like that Admiral's autobiography I just finished reading by Harry Kim of the original U.S.S. Voyager...
Sybok: Hi everyone, I'm back! I didn't die, I was sent 900 years into the future too! Is the president of Ni'var going to greet me too?
Sybok: This is my doing, it's my arrogance that caused the burn... Forgive me... sister (to Michael).
Saru: Ensign Tilly, strictly speaking you are a 932 Year Ensign.
Burnham: What does God need with dilithium?!Sybok: This is my doing, it's my arrogance that caused the burn... Forgive me... sister (to Michael).
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Its not real life but once they used a real life military set up as the basis for the franchise then they need to make as believable as possible for the audience. If it was a random group of civilians roaming the galaxy or Starfleet the merchant navy there might less criticism when a less experienced crew member is placed that close to the captain's chair.
If this was Starfleet General hospital would random medical student or recently graduated be made Chief of Surgery and the viewers just shrug their shoulders? (maybe some might)
Might as well make Grudge fly the ship, why not?
Anyone can join a convent, what's so crap about that? Makes more sense than the Ensign Tilly as XO promotion
Cultures can change their political attitude, the Germans wanted to take over the world, events made them change their mind about that. And that was just 80 years ago, a lot can happen in 800 years
As I wrote above, real life militaries are messier than people think (particularly those who get their ideas about the military from Star Trek).
7/10
Burnham has got to be the most erratically written lead character in any Trek series to date. She has puppy dog tears in her eyes in 70% of her scenes I swear. The other 30% she's kicking some alien's ass. The constant over emoting and crying every single episode is getting ridiculous. She doesn't need to cry all of the time to show her strength. Kira, Jadzia, Janeway, Seven, Torres, T'Pol are all examples of strong lead women in Trek who showed their emotional side as appropriate. The claims of Janeway being written bi-polar from episode to episode can't hold a candle to Burnham. Don't tell me to turn the show off if I don't like this aspect of it either. I like the show just fine as a whole, and appreciate the story they are telling this season, but if there were a drinking game created where every time Burnham cries in a scene you take a shot you'd be comatose by the end of most episodes.
That being said I thought the portrayal of the Vulcans and Romulans was quite believable living on the same planet. Even after all of this time they are not one big happy family yet. Burnham's mother being her advocate was a bit of a stretch. Captain Saru is a decent commanding officer and I appreciate his diplomatic attempts. He's very Picard like in his actions. TNG Picard anyway. Tilly being promoted to first officer is another stretch. The Spock holo was nice.
Burnham has got to be the most erratically written lead character in any Trek series to date. She has puppy dog tears in her eyes in 70% of her scenes I swear. The other 30% she's kicking some alien's ass. The constant over emoting and crying every single episode is getting ridiculous. She doesn't need to cry all of the time to show her strength. Kira, Jadzia, Janeway, Seven, Torres, T'Pol are all examples of strong lead women in Trek who showed their emotional side as appropriate. The claims of Janeway being written bi-polar from episode to episode can't hold a candle to Burnham. Don't tell me to turn the show off if I don't like this aspect of it either. I like the show just fine as a whole, and appreciate the story they are telling this season, but if there were a drinking game created where every time Burnham cries in a scene you take a shot you'd be comatose by the end of most episodes.
That being said I thought the portrayal of the Vulcans and Romulans was quite believable living on the same planet. Even after all of this time they are not one big happy family yet. Burnham's mother being her advocate was a bit of a stretch. Captain Saru is a decent commanding officer and I appreciate his diplomatic attempts. He's very Picard like in his actions. TNG Picard anyway. Tilly being promoted to first officer is another stretch. The Spock holo was nice.
So what? Picard couldn't do better than Lieutenant Junior Grade at past SIXTY without getting stabbed through the heart first!!! talk about underachievement!
Is it just me or the fact that Vulcan left the Federation seemed to be the tipping point for maybe the Federation is beyond repair?
Andoria, Earth, Vulcan, and Tellar were the founders of the Federation. Andoria has been confirmed to be with the Emerald Chain, although possibly not by choice (The chain might have just taken them over, but regardless it doesn't seem like Vance is trying to "save" Andoria). Vulcan and Earth outright left. What does that leave, Tellar of the founding races?
Even if interstellar travel is restored, the loss of three quarters of your founding team is a huge morale blow. Even if they say, ok, we'll come back--I mean, that mistrust will still be there. Look how much international drama came out of just the UK leaving the European Union. How is the Fed supposed to come back from the loss of all but one of their founders? How can they convince anyone to rejoin when they'll all say, "If Earth can do without the Fed, if Vulcan can do without the Fed, maybe we can too".
Andoria, Earth, Vulcan, and Tellar were the founders of the Federation. Andoria has been confirmed to be with the Emerald Chain, although possibly not by choice (The chain might have just taken them over, but regardless it doesn't seem like Vance is trying to "save" Andoria). Vulcan and Earth outright left. What does that leave, Tellar of the founding races?
Even if interstellar travel is restored, the loss of three quarters of your founding team is a huge morale blow. Even if they say, ok, we'll come back--I mean, that mistrust will still be there. Look how much international drama came out of just the UK leaving the European Union. How is the Fed supposed to come back from the loss of all but one of their founders? How can they convince anyone to rejoin when they'll all say, "If Earth can do without the Fed, if Vulcan can do without the Fed, maybe we can too".
We never left the ship, and I think pretty much every set we saw was a preexisting set, so yes.
To give an honest answer, I think the ships sensors just record everything. They're constantly showing stuff like the Spock scene, so obviously something is recording everything we see. Maybe that's what we're actually watching, the internal ship's sensor records of all of these events.Nah - they just DID have body cameras built in the 24th century badges; but it was so common Picard and Co. never really gave that much thought (or EVER commented on it
I really enjoyed this one, it was nice to finally visit a familiar planet, and having it be a post-Unification Ni'Var/Vulcan was pretty cool. It was nice to finally see Burnham reunited with her mother.
Forcing Micheal to confront her issues during the T'Kal-in-ket gave us some nice character moments for her.
I loved getting a surprise appearance by Leonard Nimory's Spock.
Tilly didn't even occur to me as a possibility for XO since she's an Ensign, but I think she'll be a good choice. I wonder if there's a specific real world reason their holding off on naming a permanent XO. Could they be waiting to introduce a new character, possibly a someone from the 32nd century Starfleet?
I gave it a 9.
Lotta humans still in the Fed and Starfleet, maybe planets of origin mean less in the 32nd Century?
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