Sooooo....like TNG when it put the doctors kid in a prestigious assignment on the bridge of Starfleets newest flagship, passing over more qualified candidates who’d paid their dues.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"
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Sooooo....like TNG when it put the doctors kid in a prestigious assignment on the bridge of Starfleets newest flagship, passing over more qualified candidates who’d paid their dues.
Yes, this is exactly why I think Tilly shouldn't be First Officer. We have no idea how she'll act when all the chips are down. And neither does Saru.
She should also at least be promoted to Lieutenant if Saru's making her Acting First Officer. I hope Vance has something to say about this.
They mention the USS Yelchin and with the way Tilly was XO, maybe this is the episode's way of paying tribute to the Kelvin Films? Since Leonard Nimoy was also in those.
I had already thought in the previous episode that the new first officer would be Tilly for a simple process of elimination: we just don't know practically anyone in the command area. In universe giving this position to her make no sense, but the other option, story-wise, would have been awkward: Saru saying someone who is little more than an background extra: "You know Commander WhatIsYourName, you have proven time and again that you are the right person for this position ..."
This debate was put to bed when a Captain allowed a teenager to fly (one of) the most important ships in the fleet, just because he was a genius. The organisation stopped being a place for soldiers who explore after the Kirk era.
Also consider 18 year old Kelvin Chekov was promoted to Chief Engineer because...reasons.
Its been a flaw in the franchise for decades
But in universe it shows Saru is not a good captain, his decision making is based on sentiment, not who is the best person for the job. The crew accept it cos they are written to accept it, that would never happen in a real life set up.
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All their reunions are the same: MOM???
I thought the Tilly choice made a lot of sense. It's crazy, but the whole situation is crazy. The crew is reduced, they're in completely uncharted territory, and Saru implied that a lot of the older crew members were having more serious adjustment problems. And a lot of them are crucial specialists. They like her, respect her, she has judgment, courage, exceptional intelligence and Saru trusts her. And she trusts him.
Yeah, that too.
I think this is one of the things I'm struggling with. The timing of everything feels urgent, even though a lot of time has passed. It happened with Unification, and it's happening with The Burn. I'm starting to wonder if going 930 years into the future was a good idea. Maybe it should have only been 800 or 700 years.
Or even a lot less
This episode vaulted into my top 10 of all trek for a host of reasons. NOTE: I've been watching since 1966 so the history is pretty deep.
One would think that by now folks would have begun to realize that Star Trek,
Is Not Like "Real Life".
Beyond that, Tilly may not be emotionally ready to be the First Officer, but she has been in the Command Training Program for at least four years now (give or take a few centuries), there's no reason, beyond just disliking the idea, that she should not be allowed to give it a shot.
Saru did say she would be "Acting FIrst Officer" for now.
Is Not Like "Real Life".
Beyond that, Tilly may not be emotionally ready to be the First Officer, but she has been in the Command Training Program for at least four years now (give or take a few centuries), there's no reason, beyond just disliking the idea, that she should not be allowed to give it a shot.
Saru did say she would be "Acting FIrst Officer" for now.
934 years.
Picardroid.
Have any other false equivalency whataboutisms you care to share with the group?
Throw Tilly in the holodeck like Troy on her command exam and put her through the ringer.
Not to mention, it's probably been stated a few times (I haven't finished reading through the thread yet), but these are extraordinary times, they are one single ship with only a marginal connection to Starfleet's current organizational structure, so they are allowed to be more lenient with personnel choices up to and including circumventing the chain of command if they feel someone with a lower rank would be more suited for a certain position because of their capabilities and the trust others place in them. She might be an ensign but that doesn't mean she has the knowledge and capabilities of a middle school student.
I also want to strike however that we haven't yet seen the fallout of his decision. The crew was okay with it, even those like Nilsson who could've plausibly been angered over being sidelined, but we don't know how Tilly would actually perform under pressure. Plotlines such as this one tend to examine many of the questions and concerns usually raised in threads like these by the next episode or two. Tilly's position is not set in stone (the word "acting" is there for a reason), she still needs to have her trial by fire and might very well fail miserably. As I was watching, I had a feeling like Saru was looking for the anti-Burnham, even if he didn't admit it (and Tilly sounded like she was suspecting it herself), and it might just as well turn out later that this was the very direction the show intended to go, perhaps as a way to make him doubt his own capabilities as a part of his personal arc or something. Or, Tilly might turn out well, and Saru would promote her to a Lieutenant at the end, with or without finalizing the position as well. Let's wait and see.
A shame Saru didn't know about Harry. If I were in his place, I would've also promoted Tilly to Lieutenant, jut to spite our Eternal Ensign.
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