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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"

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Yup. I was there for both. Talking Trek and other stuff, until I noticed it was like 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning. I was in college and made sure all my classes were schedule for Noon or later. I was not a morning person.

At one point, in 1999, me and someone on a chat came up with an awesome story for a TNG Movie. One that would've been a lot better than Insurrection. We were mapping it out scene by scene. We were on a roll. And then I didn't think to save anything from the chat. And now 20+ years, I can't remember what it was we came up with. I'd probably cringe at whatever it was now, but still...

I was Carter back then. I remember when a bunch of us wrote up different synopses for Voyager episodes, that didn't just ignore the energy and resources problems, or that there were so many Maquis onboard. We would have had the ship needing to land periodically on a suitable planet to let them go mining with the shuttle transporters, gather & store fresh food and water, with obvious shenanigans and things happening while they were there. Great times.
 
Would you rather watch a show with a lead character who's shit at her job, fake it til you make it, manipulating Tilly into texting her clever things to say to impress the Captain? Media Studies Officer Burnham? I want an officer who can reroute the plasma flow at the same time as reconfiguring the deflector dish, all with one hand tied behind her back, thank you very much. Make it so.
 
Nobody complained when Kira and Dax were fending off He-man toys wrapped in fur and got a derelict heap of junk space worthy with Kira not even hardly helping.
 
I also think we can pretty much put a S31 show "to pasture" especially with Strange New Worlds in the works now. That series never really felt like more than talk anyways.
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Sorry, but from some VERY RECENT reports the Section 31 show IS STILL happening. They would be stupid to pass on a show featuring an international Asian star like Michelle Yeoh (who has wanted to do her own such show since her first days on the ST: D set). It's coming, as well as SNW and I'm very much looking forward to BOTH shows. :)
 
Or that time some aliens Stole.Spock's.Brain, and McCoy wired him up with a radio control unit until they got it back, and then Spock stayed awake to help McCoy put his brain back in.
Actually, to be totally fair, that's not entirely true. Most people in the fan community don't like "Spock's Brain". That episode gets a ton of flack.

I personally happen to like "Spock's Brain", but mainly because of how silly it is.
 
Or when the Enterprise D became sentient and had a baby. OOOOH! Discovery could encounter the Enter-baby's race.
 
Why does the empress need any type of redemption Arc ? she kind of has one with actually careing about Burnham and not torpedoing the whole planet. In general She Believes In The end justifies the means and that's not going to change and I don't want it to because it's a counter to saru or others that would let the Federation fall just to live up to there morals.
You need somebody that will pull the trigger

On a personal level, I find this morally repugnant. I recognize that Trek has had bouts of "hard men making hard choices." But Georgiou was another level. She was absolute dictator of the Terran Empire. She personally ordered genocides of entire worlds. She ate sentient beings. Honestly her crimes in the MU make Gul Dukat look like Gandhi in comparison.

Her one - and apparently only - piece of moral grounding is she genuinely cares for Michael and can't see her coming to harm. However she's shown not a smidge of empathy towards anyone else in the entire multiverse. Even choosing not to genocide Qonos was mostly because she would have to kill Michael in the process.

She already HAD her redemption arc. She joined Section 31 and helped defeat Control. That was the redemption arc.

The show is asking us to root for a character who - as I said - is demonstrably more evil than Gul Dukat (who let's not forget, loved his daughter as well). I'm fine with her being some sort of antihero in the show. But if she doesn't recognize herself that she's done wrong and needs to atone, it's just weird to have the writing and direction idolize her as some sort of #girlboss. It's like arguing that you can question Hitler's actions, but the man did have a few good ideas.
 
That makes no sense...........it would be pointless if a part of Control DID survive.

It was pointless. The whole point of them going into the future was to get away from Control. Control was defeated before they entered the wormhole and not one person said, "Wait- stop the ship!"
 
Actually, to be totally fair, that's not entirely true. Most people in the fan community don't like "Spock's Brain". That episode gets a ton of flack.

I personally happen to like "Spock's Brain", but mainly because of how silly it is.

They may not like it, they may even hate it, but nevertheless, it is canon. McCoy had a device on-hand that he was able to fit to a brainless corpse, the body of his dead friend, and drive him around the corridors like a drone. That's canon. McCoy is a Mary Sue, and then Spock walked McCoy through refitting his own brain into his own skull, so Spock's a Mary Sue too. I'm pretty sure Rom's a Mary Sue as well, and immortal non-corporeal entities that were worshipped as Gods arranged for Sisko's birth, so he's definitely a Mary Sue, nobody can cook beets like that, it's not possible.
 
They may not like it, they may even hate it, but nevertheless, it is canon. McCoy had a device on-hand that he was able to fit to a brainless corpse, the body of his dead friend, and drive him around the corridors like a drone. That's canon. McCoy is a Mary Sue, and then Spock walked McCoy through refitting his own brain into his own skull, so Spock's a Mary Sue too. I'm pretty sure Rom's a Mary Sue as well, and immortal non-corporeal entities that were worshipped as Gods arranged for Sisko's birth, so he's definitely a Mary Sue, nobody can cook beets like that, it's not possible.

Yeah Spock's Brain, love it or hate it it's canon. Purists be damned.

Or when the Enterprise D became sentient and had a baby. OOOOH! Discovery could encounter the Enter-baby's race.

Hey don't spoil it that's the bad guy from Spock's visions, the baby grew up and wiped out all sentient life.
 
McCoy was edgey, not only did he like animating his dead friend's corpses whenever possible, he's a terrible racist. Poor Spock, he's such a gentle boy, his step sister called him a freak one time and he never mentioned her again. What emotions do you think he was surpressing after being called a pointy eared, green blooded bastard? And even in the Kelvin-verse, McCoy steals a bottle of whisky out of Chekov's locker and drinks it with Kirk. Happy Birthday, Jim. Right out of his locker. Who's really the bastard?
 
They may not like it, they may even hate it, but nevertheless, it is canon. McCoy had a device on-hand that he was able to fit to a brainless corpse, the body of his dead friend, and drive him around the corridors like a drone. That's canon. McCoy is a Mary Sue, and then Spock walked McCoy through refitting his own brain into his own skull, so Spock's a Mary Sue too. I'm pretty sure Rom's a Mary Sue as well, and immortal non-corporeal entities that were worshipped as Gods arranged for Sisko's birth, so he's definitely a Mary Sue, nobody can cook beets like that, it's not possible.
I'm not quite sure anymore where you're going with this or who you're directing your post at.

You're not going to find very many people here who are bigger fans of Discovery than I am. I definitely don't think Michael Burnham is a Mary Sue. A few years ago, I ripped someone to shreds who kept trying to insist she was. So thoroughly that I don't even need to post anymore about it. I can just link back to where it happened.

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I'm not quite sure anymore where you're going with this or who you're directing your post at.

You're not going to find very many people here who are bigger fans of Discovery than I am. I definitely don't think Michael Burnham is a Mary Sue. A few years ago, I ripped someone to shreds who kept trying to insist she was. So thoroughly that I don't even need to post anymore about it. I can just link back to where it happened.

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I'm just having fun, it's Friday night and I smell like Sheldon Cooper's uncle.

I've watched both episodes of this season 3 times on the day they aired. That's how I caught the conductor at the end.
 
I do wonder if Detmer's going be tainted with Control somehow via her implant, given some of the angles she got. I hope not.
I hope it's not another Augmented character being stereotyped as the big bad. It's her artificial eye of evil that's the problem. #AugmentedLivesMatter
I was wondering if she damaged her implant or something when she fell over her console. They really focused her fall, and it seemed like her spaceiness started right after that. I just remembered that she was also bleeding around it.
I enjoyed this one, the stuff with Zaher and the miners was a good way to introduce the Disco crew to the 32nd century. Zaher was a pretty good villain.
It was nice to see pretty much everyone get a chance to shine while they were fixing the ship.
Like usual Georgiou got some great lines, and kicked major ass.
 
Despite the saloon stuff dragging on it was a very good episode. Being away from Burnham was good as it gave us a better look at a strong crew. Saru top notch as usual and Owo and Detmer is such a good team that we should get more of in some Data/Geordie or O'Brien/Bashir stories, Reno Stamets and Culber made me laugh and am warming to Reno despite finding the actors comedy a bit overhyped IRL. Georgiou is the massive let down it is just not believable in any sense that she would be let near the crew or
Be stronger at taking phaser blasts because she is badass
and her moments with Tilly were the first time I have ever liked Tilly in this show
Especially being the only one calling her out for being an absolute p***k in the meeting

And even though I havnt been much of a fan of the show in season 1 or 2
or a fan of Burnham seeing her on the viewscreen made me smile big then well up
The Empress spent her entire life coming up through the ranks of a Universe that uses an Agonizer Booth as a daily punishment for ANY Infraction.
Somehow, I can't see what appears to be a similar form of torture in 'Phaser' form, being that big of a hindrance for her.
It had very little to do with "Badass" and much more with being acclimated to that particular form of energy torture.
 
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Ya but O'Brien is the most important person in the history of starfleet. And dont forget thats canon now
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and if they are not the federation and they are the V’draysh!
 
The show is asking us to root for a character who - as I said - is demonstrably more evil than Gul Dukat (who let's not forget, loved his daughter as well). I'm fine with her being some sort of antihero in the show. But if she doesn't recognize herself that she's done wrong and needs to atone, it's just weird to have the writing and direction idolize her as some sort of #girlboss. It's like arguing that you can question Hitler's actions, but the man did have a few good ideas.
You can also say that she's there for people to love to hate, too, couldn't you?

I've grown to like her, because at first she was too cheesy for me. But this episode I really liked her.

I think the first time that I was like, "Oh, now she's funny" was during that scene in "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 1" where they were discussing how to activate the time crystal and she said, "So pick a nova and fire an anti-matter missile into it's core." And Saru was, we'd be responsible for destroying all life for dozens of lightyears. And Georgiou, "Yep." And Michael, "We're not doing that." And Georgiou, "I thought there were no bad ideas." And Pike and everyone, that's a bad one. :)

If they write her more like this episode though, I'm good. I found her hard-edge in this episode and that worked for me.
 
Re-watching this. I don't remember if anyone in here said anything about Discovery going through debris, but that is something that jumped out to me while watching this more awake than I was at 2:00 in the morning a few days ago.

According to Owo, shields do go out until right before they're about to crashland on the surface. The phasers do a good job of breaking Discovery's fall. Otherwise, the ship would've probably gone ka-splat without shields.

Technically, the shields probably shouldn't have been strong enough to protect Discovery when it went through rock before entering the planet's atmosphere, but I'll give it a pass on that.

The landing is part Generations, part "Timeless", all excitement. They choreographed that well.
 
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