Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

[Ghel]

The writers are instead putting in these emotional payoff scenes without the buildup or development necessary for those scenes. Think of scenes like Picard joining his crew for poker, Sam's "I can carry you, Mr Frodo", The Red Wedding, Han Solo's death, "The Body" episode of Buffy, etc.

Think of Porkin's death in Star Wars, Tasha Yar's death in TNG, or Vedek Bareil's death in DS9. All of these are examples of characters with limited screen time with still impactful deaths. Tasha we knew the most about, but even so, she was rather one dimensional at the time of her death--usually relegated to "yes, captain" and "Hailing frequencies open, sir." Some of these deaths go quickly and some are lingered upon, but in these cases, it is not just the character's death that creates the drama, but how that character's death impacts the main cast around him/her.

I also think that the letter writing scene wasn't necessarily about any individual character, but rather showing how going into a bad situation impacts the crew as a whole. To me, this scene and the scene in which Discovery are being abandoned resonated in a way similar to Picard walking the Enterprise D right before the confrontation with the Borg in BoBW. Both are nice character moments, but what's more, both illustrate the emotions of the fear/anticipation of knowingly walking into a potentially deadly and/or life changing situation.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Is right now the 2250s? Last time I checked it wasn't.

The fundamental design principles shouldn't have changed.

 

[Alan Roi]

The fundamental design principles shouldn't have changed.

One thing that science fiction is used for is taking current ideas and extrapolating how they will shape the future. One recent invention are very thin metals which can be molded and then snapped back to their original shape. I see nothing wrong with this concept being extrapolated into the future that Star Trek presents in terms of new design principles such materials will enable.

 

[fireproof78]

One thing that science fiction is used for is taking current ideas and extrapolating how they will shape the future. One recent invention are very thin metals which can be molded and then snapped back to their original shape. I see nothing wrong with this concept being extrapolated into the future that Star Trek presents in terms of new design principles such materials will enable.

Fundamental conceit of Star Trek is basing technological understanding on current knowledge and doing that imagining thing.

 

[Jaimito]

So according to the interview with Michelle Paradise, it is episode 14 that was added to the season. The outline for the finale was just too big for one episode.

The 14th episode is the same name, part 2. So 13 and 14 are like one big movie.

 

[Alan Roi]

The 14th episode is the same name, part 2. So 13 and 14 are like one big movie.

IMO, 1-14 is one big movie.

 

[Jaimito]

IMO, 1-14 is one big movie.

Yes. Every episode has the big budget cinematic look, pretty much on par with JJ verse movies or better. This is best looking Trek series of all time.

 

[StarMan]

Because pure setup episodes by their nature lack the structure of a story, in simple terms they don't have a beginning, middle and end, and often they feel like they are only a beginning. It's like acts one and two of an episode. It would be nice if there was at least a mini story going on within the episode so it had its own independent identity. The best arc episodes do that, so that there is something to part 1 that isn't just setting up part 2. BOBW1, Chain of Command 1, In Purgatory's Shadow, A Time to Stand, Scorpion, the Dogs of War, all work much better as standalone episodes because they have substance to them in and of themselves, they're not just an hour talking about what will happen next week. That's why 'setup episodes' get stick.

Head of nail == hit.

Yes. Every episode has the big budget cinematic look, pretty much on par with JJ verse movies or better. This is best looking Trek series of all time.

You're quite right. That's what makes it all the more tragic when the writing/direction of the series is so wanting.

 

[Sisko_is_my_captain]

God, Pike has so much charisma. I need a Pike series.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Again, it was neat. The Enterprise is beautiful, Number One is awesome, and I love Pike.

 

[Cyrus]

I liked it better on the rewatch. Loved the scene on the bridge where they all stand up for farewell to Pike.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well we have memory metal which is something you can bend and it springs back to its original form and shape. Who knows what we will have in the future?

 

[Vger23]

If you know more about them than you did before, they're being developed. That's what development is. And seeing the crew say goodbye to their families, and mentioning things from their family life, is development. They would say goodbye to their families if they're leaving forever. Moreover, Airiam being infiltrated boiled in the background for a few episodes before she died and in that episode, which spotlighted her, they showed us her background. Which is all before the episode in the funeral. Lack of development is not knowing a thing about them and never finding out a thing about them ever. We're finding out things about them. Whether or not someone likes the way they're going about it depends on the viewer in question.

It amazes me the lengths people will go to fault anything they can with this series.

Think of Porkin's death in Star Wars, Tasha Yar's death in TNG, or Vedek Bareil's death in DS9. All of these are examples of characters with limited screen time with still impactful deaths. Tasha we knew the most about, but even so, she was rather one dimensional at the time of her death--usually relegated to "yes, captain" and "Hailing frequencies open, sir." Some of these deaths go quickly and some are lingered upon, but in these cases, it is not just the character's death that creates the drama, but how that character's death impacts the main cast around him/her.

I also think that the letter writing scene wasn't necessarily about any individual character, but rather showing how going into a bad situation impacts the crew as a whole. To me, this scene and the scene in which Discovery are being abandoned resonated in a way similar to Picard walking the Enterprise D right before the confrontation with the Borg in BoBW. Both are nice character moments, but what's more, both illustrate the emotions of the fear/anticipation of knowingly walking into a potentially deadly and/or life changing situation.

Yep

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Would be a 9 for me.

But the appearance of the Enterprise and the love put into designing the bridge and other interiors put this episode into another level for me.

So it's a 10

 

[BillJ]

Think of Porkin's death in Star Wars, Tasha Yar's death in TNG, or Vedek Bareil's death in DS9.

I couldn't even tell you who Porkins is.

I also think that the letter writing scene wasn't necessarily about any individual character, but rather showing how going into a bad situation impacts the crew as a whole. To me, this scene and the scene in which Discovery are being abandoned resonated in a way similar to Picard walking the Enterprise D right before the confrontation with the Borg in BoBW. Both are nice character moments, but what's more, both illustrate the emotions of the fear/anticipation of knowingly walking into a potentially deadly and/or life changing situation.

Yet one was written tightly and too the point ("The Best of Both Worlds, Part I"), the other meanders and feels like filler ("Such Sweet Sorrow, Part I").

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Kind of mean, calling someone Porkins, if you ask me.

 

[Lonemagpie]

I only jus noticed on the rewatch that there was an explanation for moving Terralisium- a world without technology meant there would be a safe base where Control couldn't access. .. OK.

 

[DEWLine]

Terralysium.

 

[BillJ]

I only jus noticed on the rewatch that there was an explanation for moving Terralisium- a world without technology meant there would be a safe base where Control couldn't access. .. OK.

It is obvious that Control has no sensors and definitely would never look at worlds where life might exist but not yet be technologically active.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

It is obvious that Control has no sensors and definitely would never look at worlds where life might exist but not yet be technologically active.

Priorities.