Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

[Longinus]

Only if one has no desire to give people a chance to breathe and accept maybe they're allowed to like something. Seriously, I've never understood "the writers hate the fans and the show!" because, even if I'm being cynical and jaded as hell, who in their right damned mind would purposely sabotage their source of income? I have no doubt the writers care. A writer cares about their stories, or they don't stay professional writers very long.

I didn't say that they hate the show or the fans or anything of the sort. I said that it is debatable whether the writers care about the continuity. On the first season at least, they didn't seem to much care. There has been some patching up on this season, though new continuity problems have been created as well. I didn't even say that not caring about the continuity would automatically be a bad thing, nor I am interested redoing the debate about every possible continuity issue here.

 

[ITDUDE]

It’s interesting that first 15-20 pages is all gushing after each episode. It takes a while for the critical thinking part of the reviews to start pouring in.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

What has made it worse this season is the emerging trope of Burnham going off on some personal mission, dragging the narrative focus away from the ship and therefore the rest of the cast, and the decision in the last third of the season to make most of Burnham's interactions with temporary or guest characters (Pike, Spock, Georgiou), further reducing the role of the regulars.

Well said. You're right -- it isn't Burnham leaving out the rest of the crew in solving a problem; it's that the writers often have her going out looking for her own problems that have nothing to do with the rest of the crew.

They've created some really fun characters in Stamets, Saru, Tilly, and even Reno. Just imagine if the writers made most episodes feature those characters (and Burnham) interacting with each other in meaningful ways throughout the episode. There's a lot of fun to be had if the writers just put the characters together more often.

I mean, everyone's favorite DSC moments that they list don't involve one or two characters going through some serous life-drama. No, people's favorite moments have involved multiple characters interacting. Put enough of those moments together, and you get a memorable episode.

 

[Vger23]

Didn't "Saints of Imperfection" establish that spore jumping kills / harms the May lifeforms that live in the network?

 

[Lonemagpie]

Good but felt mostly setup for next week - nicely full of good character moments. Tyler might as well have said "look to the east in three days and expect good news!" or words to that effect...

 

[Vger23]

It’s interesting that first 15-20 pages is all gushing after each episode. It takes a while for the critical thinking part of the reviews to start pouring in.

No, it just takes a while for people who don't like the show as much to ring in.

 

[Lord Garth]

Didn't "Saints of Imperfection" establish that spore jumping kills / harms the May lifeforms that live in the network?

Shhhh! Don't tell that to the people who still want to make it an issue.

 

[tomalak301]

No, it just takes a while for people who don't like the show as much to ring in.

Well I’m trying to like the show and I gave my score last night. I wanted to expand further on it today after sleeping on it.

 

[Amaris]

I didn't say that they hate the show or the fans or anything of the sort. I said that it is debatable whether the writers care about the continuity. On the first season at least, they didn't seem to much care. There has been some patching up on this season, though new continuity problems have been created as well. I didn't even say that not caring about the continuity would automatically be a bad thing, nor I am interested redoing the debate about every possible continuity issue here.

The writers care about engaging the viewers. If the writers aren't engaging the viewers, the viewers aren't watching, and the writers get fired. So they have a stake in keeping the story as straight as possible. Now, that doesn't mean they'll succeed, but I believe they do care about getting things as right as possible.

It’s interesting that first 15-20 pages is all gushing after each episode. It takes a while for the critical thinking part of the reviews to start pouring in.

That's a shitty insult.

 

[Vger23]

Shhhh! Don't tell that to the people who still want to make it an issue.

Two years worth of observing message board behavior related to DSC would lead me to the conclusion that nothing will stop that!

 

[Fateor]

Ways the crew could have solved this without time travel.

1) Spore Drive to jump somewhere Control would never be able to find them. (Seriously space is ginormous)
2) Spore Drive to jump to Spacedock and pull the computer core.
3) Beam over a photon torpedo on a 1 second delayed timer.
4) Keep shooting the ship till it's shields fail and then shoot it till it explodes.
5) Have someone beam over to the ship and shoot the warp core with a phaser rifle.

 

[Longinus]

It’s interesting that first 15-20 pages is all gushing after each episode. It takes a while for the critical thinking part of the reviews to start pouring in.

We Europeans need to wait to the Friday to see the episode, so once I'm done watching the threads are already about twenty pages long...

 

[Lord Garth]

It’s interesting that first 15-20 pages is all gushing after each episode. It takes a while for the critical thinking part of the reviews to start pouring in.

It's a combination of two things:

1. A lot of detractors are watching The Orville at the same time.

2. There's a huge difference between "Wow! That's awesome! I'm still taking it in!" and then analyzing it once you've taken it in. If I don't think "Wow! That's awesome!" while watching an episode and I'm instantly going into Analysis Mode, then the episode failed to do its primary purpose: entertain. This is entertainment first and foremost.

 

[BillJ]

It’s interesting that first 15-20 pages is all gushing after each episode. It takes a while for the critical thinking part of the reviews to start pouring in.

Haters like to sleep in.

 

[cultcross]

Didn't "Saints of Imperfection" establish that spore jumping kills / harms the May lifeforms that live in the network?

It was a little ambiguous as to whether it is spore drive usage, or the presence of the monster we discover is Culber. I ultimately took it to mean the latter, although I was expecting it to be the former, to set up the retirement of the technology.

 

[Longinus]

Ways the crew could have solved this without time travel.

1) Spore Drive to jump somewhere Control would never be able to find them. (Seriously space is ginormous)
2) Spore Drive to jump to Spacedock and pull the computer core.
3) Beam over a photon torpedo on a 1 second delayed timer.
4) Keep shooting the ship till it's shields fail and then shoot it till it explodes.
5) Have someone beam over to the ship and shoot the warp core with a phaser rifle.

Yep.

 

[Galileo7]

I like the Enterprise Bridge set .

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[Vger23]

It's a combination of two things:

1. A lot of detractors are watching The Orville at the same time.o

2. There's a huge difference between "Wow! That's awesome! I'm still taking it in!" and then analyzing it once you've taken it in. If I don't think "Wow! That's awesome!" while watching an episode and I'm instantly going into Analysis Mode, than the episode failed to do its primary purpose: entertain. This is entertainment first and foremost.

Agree on both points, actually. Most people who are predisposed to not like DSC aren't going to watch it right out of the gate like fans will. And they're sure as hell not going to delay watching Orville, which is homebase. On the other hand, I watch it the moment it drops, and generally will wait days or weeks to watch Orville.


On point two, that's exactly how I feel. If I was thrilled and entertained by an episode, it accomplished it's purpose. I do enough analysis and critical thinking in my real life. I don't give a shit about that stuff when I'm watching a new Star Trek show. And when you over analyze, you're likely to find fault, and if fault makes you miserable....well....there you go

 

[Nerys Myk]

Never read the novels?

Is that a question or a recommendation?

 

[Tuskin38]

I like the Enterprise Bridge set .

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