Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x13 - "Such Sweet Sorrow"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Apr 11, 2019.

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  1. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Sorry, Yes.
     
  2. Gonzo

    Gonzo Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yeah pants is another one but that is also fairly recent.

    Yeah just had a look at Assignment Earth, its fine as far as it goes but the issue now is far more complex, with that episode it was just the Enterprise that moved thru time, in this case its Burnham moving forward to stop Control which has already gone back in time triggering Burnham to go forward in time to stop it.

    Hence why I said its a cause and effect loop whereas Assignment Earth is just a case of predestination which is something else entirely or you could also consider it to be a self fulfilling prophecy.

    Breaking the loop (sending the Discovery away) could undo all that Control has done by removing its perfect sphere data fed version of itself from the timeline, that will also undo everything that it has done across the entire timeline of its existence as a perfect sphere data version which has affected or altered what Burnham/Discovery/Pike has done such as the probe attack on Pikes shuttle, it will never have happened and Airiam will never have been compromised and died.

    It all smells like we are heading for a colossal reset with Burnham taking advantage of it to make some adjustments of her own... I would in her place.

    If they continue on without a reset I am fine with that but messing with time like this has consequences, only Burnham in the suit would have any recollection of what has changed.

    All of this would stay within the universe/timeline we are currently in, no alternates required as its purely a matter of time not space.
     
  3. Alan Roi

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    Your theory suggests that she will follow in her mother's footsteps, which she has seen have been a colossal failure and in fact appear to have made things worse. My theory is that future Burnham has figured out how to fixed things and has worked to get all her ducks in a row to achieve the goal already. Current Burnham just has to follow through and not deviate, or they are all back to the original mess, or a worse one.
     
  4. Gonzo

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    While Burnhams mother was the Red Angel she is not the cause of the anomalies, that implies that Burnham will make changes using the suit, however the changes cant be made all at once so it may be an iterative process with Burnham using the anomalies to slwoly and gradually adjust events.

    Even so the destruction/deletion/erasure of Control in the present will have consequences as it is a change that will affect the future and the past.

    We have yet to see the true picture of events from Burnhams perspective, this evenings episode should help in that regard.

    I personally do not require a reset or need one but based on what I have seen there is an argument that can be made for it being triggered by Controls absence.
     
  5. cooleddie74

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    I said spread, not squat.
     
  6. DaveyNY

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    As was I.
    Most zippers are in the front, thus the forward torpedo tube would be where the action would come from.
     
  7. Claudia

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    I'm stunned at the plotholes and ridiculousness of this episode.

    First of all, in 1 hour Sarek and Amanda manage to show up at the place of the 5th signal... much technobabble and teary good-bye scenes. Discovery half taken over but still not completely so that the crew can plan and execute their plans to send the programme and the (infested) ship to the future... Urgh.
     
  8. Cyanide Muffin

    Cyanide Muffin All hail Doctor 13 Premium Member

    But maybe Sarek and Amanda had much advanced warning to get there due to his Katra connection to Michael.
     
  9. Soong-type Android

    Soong-type Android Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    The S2 finale felt like a particularly manic overly CGI'd Doctor Who finale made over the last several years.
     
  10. Claudia

    Claudia Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Okay, so the Katra will know more than an hour before she's going on a suicide mission? Please. Even though, how did they find out Discovery's location and get there in that small time-frame?
     
  11. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    What he's been in contact with Micheals katra while she's on one of her time travelling jaunts?
     
  12. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    So...can Sarek communicate with her in the future?
     
  13. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    She just did 5 trips into the recent past before he and Amanda visited her but after she experienced it.
     
  14. Kemaiku

    Kemaiku Admiral Admiral

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    No, I mean in season 3, will Sarek be able to meditate and form some basic link to her in the 33rd century?
     
  15. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Fleet Captain

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    Probably not, but who knows. i won't object to more of him or Amanda if they can think up a reason to have them show up.
     
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  16. Kemaiku

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    I'd love that to be their link to the 23rd century. Showing the household on Vulcan wouldn't cost that much.

    And honestly it could be partly the issue with Sarek and Spock. His sister is alive but his father refuses to share much beyond that.
     
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