Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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  1. IMC Headquarters

    IMC Headquarters Fleet Captain Premium Member

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    $500,000 will pass her...
     
  2. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Considering that the Picard show supposedly has something to do with Romulans (distant relatives of Vulcans), maybe this is the premise of that show.

    Ethan Peck can be a great Spock as shown in 'If Memory Serves'. But he needs good writing. That scene with Spock knocking down the chessboard after a tantrum in this episode was awful. I don't blame Peck here, but the writers of the script that told him to do that.

    Spock is not supposed to be a violent character. We're already having trouble with this with Quinto-Spock over at the Kelvin timeline.
     
  3. CommanderRaytas

    CommanderRaytas DISCO QUEEEEEEN Premium Member

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    Couldn't disagree more. I thought that scene was great. It's in-character for someone usually repressed to flip out when angry. In contrast, he was really nice to Stamets, showing his gentler emotional side. As for violence, I may be wrong, but I think he had his moments in TOS, too.
     
  4. Yistaan

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    It's in character for a human, not Spock. He wouldn't do this unless there was some mind control or something. In Amok Time, him throwing the Plomeek soup was a sign that something was very wrong, as Spock wouldn't do that even if he was just upset.

    Throwing the plomeek soup suddenly loses it's meaning if Spock tosses chessboards every time something goes wrong (which in the life of a Starfleet officer is very often).
     
  5. CommanderRaytas

    CommanderRaytas DISCO QUEEEEEEN Premium Member

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    But he is a bit loopy from the meld with the RA.
     
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  6. SJGardner

    SJGardner Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Not to mention a good ten years younger than in TOS. His emotional control is probably not as robust as it will be later, especially not when he's only with his foster sister in private. And there's still a lot of bad blood between them. I also had the distinct feeling watching that scene that he let his emotional control lapse to underscore the point he wanted to make to Burnham.
     
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  7. Yistaan

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    Even Quinto-Spock was able to dismiss himself and admit that he became emotionally compromised (and this was in 2258, around the same time as this episode's 2257, and after Quinto-Spock lost his mother and his entire planet!).

    I might have let it pass if Disco-Spock also looked down at the broken chessboard, made an apology and stated that he had been emotionally compromised and must meditate, and then left the room.

    Instead, he said "What I feel is that failure is liberating. And for the first time, I enjoy expressing emotion." I don't know who's saying this line, but it's not any Spock I recognize...
     
  8. johnnybear

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    The best Spock was Nimoy and that's the guy who knew how to control his emotions and character 98% of the time anyways! :vulcan:
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  9. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    To be fair, it's not Peck's fault. I thought he did great in the Talos episode, and could continue to do so if provided the right script.

    Nimoy was given an unusual amount of freedom in developing Spock in TOS (refusing to do a karate chop and developing the nerve pinch for instance) that's just not given to Peck.

    If Peck looked at the script of Spock knocking down the chessboard and told director Jonathan Frakes, "I do not believe that Spock would do this", Riker probably would have thrown Peck into the brig. :eek:
     
  10. Noname Given

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    But at this point in his life it's pretty clear Spock HAS been embracing his Human side more than his Vulcan side. In 10 years it will be that he more embraces his Vulcan side; but at this point in his life, that's not the case - and that scene display that beautifully.
     
  11. SJGardner

    SJGardner Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    The context is entirely different, though. Quinto!Spock was on duty and actively taunted by a subordinate officer, while Peck!Spock was in private with his foster sister who he grew up with and with whom his relationship was considerably strained.
     
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  12. oberth

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    especially as he was quite his usual self in the cage


    ... i know he wasn't fleshed out yet
     
  13. IMC Headquarters

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    Whoever plays him, Spock has a lot of alienation to process.
     
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  15. IMC Headquarters

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    Ever get ripped off by a vending macine that swallowed your last bit of cash and that last bag of Bugles got stuck on the spiral? Yup. Go Spock!

    Nice gif!
     
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    Good. If it were the Spock we recognize then there would be little to no point in his character appearing in a prequel. We already know everything about him and nothing more need be said.
     
  17. Yistaan

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    I understand the need the dramatic need for prequel characters to be as different as possible from their original work selves, but sometimes it's just unrealistic. This would be like C-3PO being a hardened assassin droid in the prequels only for the horror of the Clone Wars to turn him into the fearful droid seen in the original movies. Lucas did right to keep Threepio mostly the same.

    Spock is 27 in Discovery and 35 in TOS's 'Where No Man Has Gone Before'. Being 35 myself, I know my 27 year old self is in fact mostly the same as my current self and wasn't nearly as different as Spock seems to be between 27 and 35.
     
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    39 here. It's not the number of years that have passed but what happened during those years. 27 for me was nothing like 35 because of what happened in-between and my situation changing.
     
  19. Noname Given

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    IDK - I don't find it 'unrealistic' that a Half Human/Half Vulcan might at one point in his life embraced his Half Human side more (IE give into emotion).
     
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  20. Jackson_Roykirk

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    Plus, he's still working on controlling his emotions. This Spock is not supposed to be the TOS Spock yet.

    We really don't know much about the pre-TOS Spock except for the glimpse we got of him in The Cage (which wasn't much, because he was a secondary supporting character) and what we learn now in DSC.
     
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