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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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The only reason I could see for the mines was to force an enemy into a limited number of options if they wanted to capture the station.

Then again, a superdense minefield such as the one seen (with non-exploding mine types for proximity action) would indeed be a plausible response to the threat defined onscreen: that of invisible Klingon ships.

Defenses might exist against weapons launched from standoff ranges (considering nobody bothers to fire standoff weapons any longer!), but cloakship attacks are shown to be proximal, and the minefield would quite nicely protect this single installation from such.

The station was described as a forward operating base for S31. Can a FOB be a headquarters? I always believed FOB were outposts on the front lines with the headquarters being located further back.

This episode casts no doubt on that definition - we get no hint that Section 31 headquarters would have been compromised by these events, say. So it seems the four Admirals were lured into this location on some pretext, perhaps by Control itself, perhaps by the entity that had taken over Control via Airiam via the Probe via... whatever the origin.

Everybody else aboard would probably have to be dead, too, as if they were okay with the killing of the admirals, they would probably have taken care of that themselves, with more efficient means than locking out 90% of the base and suffocating them there. But if Control's orders are obeyed without question, perhaps most folks were ordered to go elsewhere? The station does have an apparent hangar box at the bottom, perhaps large enough to house one of those trademark spyships even; certainly there'd be capacity for sending folks on faux errands or evacuation.

Regarding "logic extremists," I would tend to think that's more a general characterization of those who espouse taking logic to the most extreme of conclusions and accordingly radical of actions—which seems apt for an admiral running an operation like Section 31—than a moniker specific to a particular terrorist sect, or supremacist/secessionist political party, or other organized group. It's probably roughly equivalent to "religious fundamentalist"—logic being very much akin to a religion among Vulcans.

Indeed. And even if logic extremists are actually a more narrowly defined political party, all the arguments about diversity within that group would still hold. The party might officially promote action but just as officially denounce those who practice specific sorts of action. OTOH, even people in leadership positions in the military would be unlikely to be able to actually pursue a political agenda there...

Timo Saloniemi
 
And the Culinary Institute. Even Vulcans get fed up with Besserwissers eventually.

Vulcans in Starfleet don't appear to be a particularly rare phenomenon overall, not in the 2250s. Some may be rebels like Spock. Others may be dropouts. Yet most might have a solid background in the Vulcan we're-not-a-military-organization, be it the Expeditionary Group or something else, and would have joined Starfleet at high starting rank in the name of federal brotherhood and the Vulcan Quota and whatnot.

Timo Saloniemi
 
And the Culinary Institute. Even Vulcans get fed up with Besserwissers eventually.

Vulcans in Starfleet don't appear to be a particularly rare phenomenon overall, not in the 2250s. Some may be rebels like Spock. Others may be dropouts. Yet most might have a solid background in the Vulcan we're-not-a-military-organization, be it the Expeditionary Group or something else, and would have joined Starfleet at high starting rank in the name of federal brotherhood and the Vulcan Quota and whatnot.

Timo Saloniemi
It would be as weird as one of the leading nations of the UN e.g UK, refusing to be part of the UN forces based on having their own British army.
However, considering the Vulcan natural lifespan is way over 200 years, in the 2250's there will be a generation of millions if not billions of Vulcans who remember life before the Federation existed and when humans were as significant as sehlat shit. Which explains Admiral Patar, the snob in Lethe and the other snob in the ST09 movie. By the TNG era they will be as dead as Surak.
 
Wasn't there a project Deadalus in Enterprise or am I really straining her for a connection to Disco? The guy that was doing that transporter experiment I think.

There was also a real-world Project Daedalus in the 1970s.

It was a think-tank study done by the British Interplanetary Society to demonstrate the feasibility of building an unmanned interstellar spacecraft that could reach another star within one human lifetime. There was a study done in the 2000s that followed-up on Project Daedalus called Project Icarus.

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Project Daedalus
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...It never ceases to amuse me that folks would go for projects named Icarus, or starships named USS Icarus. Isn't that like breaking the champagne bottle against USS Fucking Idiot? The character really has no redeeming qualities in Greek mythology. If his one contribution to world pseudohistory is to crash and burn, do the assorted Dilberts naming their project after him expect this result, too?

Timo Saloniemi
 
...It never ceases to amuse me that folks would go for projects named Icarus, or starships named USS Icarus. Isn't that like breaking the champagne bottle against USS Fucking Idiot? The character really has no redeeming qualities in Greek mythology. If his one contribution to world pseudohistory is to crash and burn, do the assorted Dilberts naming their project after him expect this result, too?
I take it as honoring the spirit of adventure even in the face of death or impossible odds. I have to admit that I've thought it was *kind of* an odd choice, too, but not as bad as, say, naming your ship Titanic. Because sometimes, once you've engineered, for instance, an experimental aircraft with a significant chance that something could go wrong during testing, a "fucking idiot" with more balls than sense is *exactly* who you need to put in that pilot's seat. Doesn't mean that isn't a valid part of the process. ;)
 
I'd say that's as likely as seeing "love instructors" in canon :p
Wait for it. The showrunners aren't entirely beholden to network standards. We've already seen Klingon boobs and naked Culber butt.

(I don't know that I actually think love instructors will show up, just that I won't be surprised if they at least get a shout out at some point. Perhaps The Orville episode dealing with Bortus's porn addiction has inspired something in the minds of Discovery writers? ;) )
 
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It would be as weird as one of the leading nations of the UN e.g UK, refusing to be part of the UN forces based on having their own British army.
However, considering the Vulcan natural lifespan is way over 200 years, in the 2250's there will be a generation of millions if not billions of Vulcans who remember life before the Federation existed and when humans were as significant as sehlat shit. Which explains Admiral Patar, the snob in Lethe and the other snob in the ST09 movie. By the TNG era they will be as dead as Surak.
And yet, more's the pity, an underlying element of xenophobic sentiment will survive them within Vulcan society, or at least at its fringes, and as of "Gambit, Part II" (TNG) will have been on the rise again for some time...

T'PAAL: Very well. To answer your question, for several years now, there has been a small, but growing movement of extreme isolationists on Vulcan, a group that believes contact with alien races has polluted our culture and is destroying Vulcan purity. This group advocates the total isolation of Vulcan from the rest of the galaxy, and the eradication of all alien influences from our planet.
PICARD: That sounds like an illogical philosophy.
T'PAAL: Agreed. But extremists often have a logic all their own.

Alas, the teachings of Surak are no less subject to perennial perversion by those, be they of one radical persuasion or the next, who would wield and shield themselves with them in justification of atrocities, than are those of Christ or Mohammad or Darwin or Kahless.

-MMoM:D
 
Like I mentioned upthread, I'm not sure the second half is a safe assumption - it could be that his death drove her to join the New Humans mentioned in the TMP novelization. A group banned from serving in Starfleet for reasons we may have just witnessed.

The New Humans weren't cybernetically enhanced like Airiam was.
 
And yet, more's the pity, an underlying element of xenophobic sentiment will survive them within Vulcan society, or at least at its fringes, and as of "Gambit, Part II" (TNG) will have been on the rise again for some time...

T'PAAL: Very well. To answer your question, for several years now, there has been a small, but growing movement of extreme isolationists on Vulcan, a group that believes contact with alien races has polluted our culture and is destroying Vulcan purity. This group advocates the total isolation of Vulcan from the rest of the galaxy, and the eradication of all alien influences from our planet.
PICARD: That sounds like an illogical philosophy.
T'PAAL: Agreed. But extremists often have a logic all their own.

Alas, the teachings of Surak are no less subject to perennial perversion by those, be they of one radical persuasion or the next, who would wield and shield themselves with them in justification of atrocities, than are those of Christ or Mohammad or Darwin or Kahless.

-MMoM:D

There is probably a parallel universe where they get their wish and once all aliens have left Vulcan and the Federation moves on without them, those logic extremists turn on each other. (No, I am not referring to BREXIT lol)
 
There is probably a parallel universe where they get their wish and once all aliens have left Vulcan and the Federation moves on without them, those logic extremists turn on each other. (No, I am not referring to BREXIT lol)
Considering that the Picard show supposedly has something to do with Romulans (distant relatives of Vulcans), maybe this is the premise of that show.

Ethan Peck can be a great Spock as shown in 'If Memory Serves'. But he needs good writing. That scene with Spock knocking down the chessboard after a tantrum in this episode was awful. I don't blame Peck here, but the writers of the script that told him to do that.

Spock is not supposed to be a violent character. We're already having trouble with this with Quinto-Spock over at the Kelvin timeline.
 
Considering that the Picard show supposedly has something to do with Romulans (distant relatives of Vulcans), maybe this is the premise of that show.

Ethan Peck can be a great Spock as shown in 'If Memory Serves'. But he needs good writing. That scene with Spock knocking down the chessboard after a tantrum in this episode was awful. I don't blame Peck here, but the writers of the script that told him to do that.

Spock is not supposed to be a violent character. We're already having trouble with this with Quinto-Spock over at the Kelvin timeline.
Couldn't disagree more. I thought that scene was great. It's in-character for someone usually repressed to flip out when angry. In contrast, he was really nice to Stamets, showing his gentler emotional side. As for violence, I may be wrong, but I think he had his moments in TOS, too.
 
It's in-character for someone usually repressed to flip out when angry.
It's in character for a human, not Spock. He wouldn't do this unless there was some mind control or something. In Amok Time, him throwing the Plomeek soup was a sign that something was very wrong, as Spock wouldn't do that even if he was just upset.

Throwing the plomeek soup suddenly loses it's meaning if Spock tosses chessboards every time something goes wrong (which in the life of a Starfleet officer is very often).
 
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