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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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Airiam didn't give much detail, but I assume he died and her injuries required the augmentations.
Like I mentioned upthread, I'm not sure the second half is a safe assumption - it could be that his death drove her to join the New Humans mentioned in the TMP novelization. A group banned from serving in Starfleet for reasons we may have just witnessed.
 
Actually liked this episode and had a lump in my throat by the end... even though Ariam wasn't really a character that's been explored.. a bit in the face "good friend" and that video at the beach - what happened after that? Why and how did she become an augmented being?
There's a lot of stuff explained in these episodes. I got it right away, don't know why others didn't.

The weakest part, again, was the Spock-Burnham stuff. So, Spock wants to explore his human side, never had much talent at empathy (at least according to Sarek) and gives marriage advice to Stamets... and Burnham's the actually traumatized one with a saving people complex because of her parents' deaths. Which gets reenacted heavy-handedly here. Urgh. Still don't like SMG's acting, but Spock could grow on me... at least he's better than Quinto IMO although those soulful eyes should be banished.
Not sure what this means, but ok.

So, the whole S31 angle consists of an AI wanting to evolve and running amok... sort of killing its creators. Not really original. But the fight at the end... why doesn't Burnham at least spend one moment to check on the security officer (whose name I conveniently forgot), she did have a few moments during which she just ran/sat around...
Ever been in a life-or-death situation with a clock counting down to who knows what? Me neither. But I think Burnham's attention was on the immediate threat and not on a team member who's had the same training.

Anyway, at least this episode managed to work without any TOS references (besides the obvious characters).
So if they'd referenced a previous show it would be bad, right? Got it. Not a problem.

But for others, if they don't reference a previous show, it's bad. Blasphemous, even.

I love Trek fandom. :techman:
 
how about a competition who got killed in different roles the most?
How many times did Brent Spiner die in "A Fistful of Datas"? Okay, if you say that doesn't count because those characters were holograms, how many times did Data die in "Cause and Effect"? Now, it's true that the same would apply to the rest of the crew, but, Data then died one more time, and then Brent Spiner also died as Noonien Soong and as Lore.

Possibly relevant but thoroughly unanswerable side-question: Who died more? The crews of the Enterprise and Bozeman in "Cause and Effect", the crew of Discovery in "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad", or versions of Worf in "Parallels"?
 
How many times did Brent Spiner die in "A Fistful of Datas"? Okay, if you say that doesn't count because those characters were holograms, how many times did Data die in "Cause and Effect"? Now, it's true that the same would apply to the rest of the crew, but, Data then died one more time, and then Brent Spiner also died as Noonien Soong and as Lore.

Possibly relevant but thoroughly unanswerable side-question: Who died more? The crews of the Enterprise and Bozeman in "Cause and Effect", the crew of Discovery in "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad", or versions of Worf in "Parallels"?

My guess is the crew of Discovery was killed themost times, since at last report Mudd had blown up the ship hundreds of times and Stamets had potentially let it carry on considerably further in order to engineer the "happy" ending he wanted.
 
How many times did Brent Spiner die in "A Fistful of Datas"? Okay, if you say that doesn't count because those characters were holograms, how many times did Data die in "Cause and Effect"? Now, it's true that the same would apply to the rest of the crew, but, Data then died one more time, and then Brent Spiner also died as Noonien Soong and as Lore.

Possibly relevant but thoroughly unanswerable side-question: Who died more? The crews of the Enterprise and Bozeman in "Cause and Effect", the crew of Discovery in "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad", or versions of Worf in "Parallels"?
My guess is the crew of Discovery was killed themost times, since at last report Mudd had blown up the ship hundreds of times and Stamets had potentially let it carry on considerably further in order to engineer the "happy" ending he wanted.

guys:

how about a competition who got killed in different roles the most?
 
Wasn't there a project Deadalus in Enterprise or am I really straining her for a connection to Disco? The guy that was doing that transporter experiment I think.
 
The only reason I could see for the mines was to force an enemy into a limited number of options if they wanted to capture the station. A salvo of torpedoes into the minefield might destroy the station, as demonstrated in "Booby Trap" where the Enterprise destroyed the aceton generators, resutling in the destruction of the Cleponji. As for phasers, well, they could be used for precision targeting, which might take time. Time enough, maybe, for reinforcements to arrive.

I believe DS9 did better with mines, where they were designed with cloaking fields making them difficult to locate.

The station was described as a forward operating base for S31. Can a FOB be a headquarters? I always believed FOB were outposts on the front lines with the headquarters being located further back.
 
Regarding "logic extremists," I would tend to think that's more a general characterization of those who espouse taking logic to the most extreme of conclusions and accordingly radical of actions—which seems apt for an admiral running an operation like Section 31—than a moniker specific to a particular terrorist sect, or supremacist/secessionist political party, or other organized group. It's probably roughly equivalent to "religious fundamentalist"—logic being very much akin to a religion among Vulcans.

Every faith has its zealots, often including examples to be found among holders of high rank and office. Yet, despite sharing a certain fanaticism in common, they won't all share the same specific beliefs (nor even overall vision) with one another, they won't always align in their goals and methods and associations, and the same goes for their supporters and sympathizers.

There's no reason why Patar's agenda and machinations need have coincided with those of the "small faction" of "renegades" who bombed the learning center, nor the misguided youth who tried to assassinate Sarek as "a rallying cry to those who value logic above all" for Vulcan to "withdraw from the failed experiment known as the Federation" just because they each followed extreme interpretations of logic. On the other hand, "humans are inferior" might well be a credo she whole-heart-where-her-liver-should-be-edly accepted as an axiom, and she merely turned the other way in her thinking from there, taking it upon her superior self to make what she saw as the ruthlessly logical calls needed to prevent the experiment from failing. (Again, sounds appropriately Section 31-esque to me...)

-MMoM:D
 
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nope - to prevent people who might actually work for the uk to acchieve someting substantial in brussels from getting elected in the first place

the cash is just the icing on the cake (that's the one to have and eat it, too)

It is only because of money. He's never done anything for the British people, not even attending meetings at the EU parliament. He's a farce. Good riddance soon!
 
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