Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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  1. Tomalak

    Tomalak Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Burnham was also busy getting the shit beat out of her by a possessed Airiam.
     
  2. Noname Given

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    And as TNG showed Klingons can be incapacitated by ANY random alien that beams on to the ship. ;)
     
  3. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Kang, now with ridges Premium Member

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    A minor distraction. ;)
     
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  4. Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs

    Burning Hearts of Qo'nOs Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    TNG also showed us a rag-tag team of Ferengi misfits who took over two Klingon ships AND the Enterprise-D. Anything can happen if you don't ask too many questions, lol.
     
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  5. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Kang, now with ridges Premium Member

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    Hippies and young children haven been known to take over the Enterprise.
     
  6. Noname Given

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    Well at least the kids needed a non-corporeal alien (that of course Kirk was immune to ;)).
     
  7. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Commodore Commodore

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    That was based on a real-life incident where, in 1966, a group of students from UC Berkeley commandeered the USS Kitty Hawk and used it to transport them to Micronesia. It did not end well.
     
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  8. Terok Nor

    Terok Nor Commodore Commodore

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    It was a decent episode but I didn't feel sad about Ariam's death. Until this episode she's been a glorified extra. Tilly and everyone crying their eyes out for her because she's their friend would've been more effective if the writers had spent any time actually showing those friendships developing.

    The Red Angel is all about Michael. It probably is Michael. Was it ever going to lead anywhere else? Of course not.

    Pike, Control and Spock/Burnham was decent but last week's episode with the Talosians will be hard to beat. I'm still wishing the show was an ensemble. Everything revolving around Burnham is tedious and limited.
     
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  9. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The idea of Control being based on one disused space station is a little wonky. Surely it's software spread throughout the entire Federation computer network?
     
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  10. Ar-Pharazon

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    Another case where the shorter seasons make it impossible to show us those moments. It was enough for me that Tilly and the others sold the friendships.
     
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  11. Mr. Adventure

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    To be fair, the usage was more natural than the other.

    A Linus infection?
     
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  12. Galactic Alignment

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    Why couldn’t Nhan have put on her space helmet to breathe? Surely her spacesuit must’ve had a Barzan setting? And why not beam Airium into a brig on Discovery at the end?
     
  13. nutshell

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    Yep. I really thought Tilly’s “Care Bear” moment was going to save Airiam from Control. So glad that didn’t happen, but very sad to see Airiam go.
     
  14. JirinPanthosa

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    WTF. After Michael's fight with Ariam when she gets her locked in another room, she pays no attention to the fact that Nhan is suffocating to death?
     
  15. Cyrus

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    I see a lot of complaints about Burnham not trying to save Nhan. It is a valid criticism but I didn’t have an issue with it.

    Burnham was trying to save her own life, and also the life of her friend (airiam). It’s understable that under this great duress she forgot about the character that is basically a stranger to her. Honestly I forgot about Nhan too until they showed her again.

    If anything this proves that Burnham is not Mary Sue.
     
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  16. DaveyNY

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    Cause she had just been flung 50+ meters across the room smashing the back of her spacesuit against a wall and knocking the breath out of her and most likely disabling her suit helmet.

    She managed to survive because Airiam only pulled the left side of Nahan's respirator off, not the whole thing.

    Michael was a tad bit busy getting the crap kicked out of her also.
    And then was completely preoccupied with trying to prevent Airiam from completing the task Control had forced upon her.

    The fact that nobody was paying attention to what Nahan was doing (including Control) was probably what gave her the chance to sneak up and open the airlock.
     
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  17. JirinPanthosa

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    I can understand she was preoccupied at the time, but I think it's out of character for her not to be singularly distracted by any life in imminent danger. Especially since helping her would have taken all of two seconds, and she had time to sit back and assess when she got the door closed.

    Some interesting dialog in that scene between Burnham and Spock. How he said "You should have known they would shoot first". But she did know that and that's why she committed mutiny. Interesting seeing Spock's perspective on the events of the premiere, and his analysis of Burnham always taking all the burden on herself which we've observed is a good way to describe her biggest flaw.

    Barzan is not a Federation member, right? Or at least, they are not in 2366, or else the Federation wouldn't have had to bid.
     
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  18. Dave Scarpa

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    They haven’t earned a Tasha type response just because before the week we barely new anything about atrium
     
  19. Locutus of Bored

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    Another fantastic episode. If this season can stick the landing, it may go down as one of my favorites in all of Trek. Which is saying something after the mediocre first season.

    I would have preferred if Airiam's character development had been dealt out over time instead of all in the one episode where she dies, but they still did a great job of making me care for the character and her sacrifice.

    I wonder if Airiam's memory downloads into the Discovery databanks form the basis for the ship's AI consciousness "Zora" 1,000 years in the future? That would be a nice way to keep her around and tie the events of that Short Trek back into the narrative.

    I'm 90% convinced Michael is the Red Angel after this episode and Airiam's remark about how she's the key. I'm sure that will have the Mary Sue brigade up at arms, but fuck 'em.

    So CONTROL is, as suspected, the AI trying to destroy all sentient biological life in the galaxy in the future with its squibots.

    The 3D chess scene between Michael and Spock is already one of my favorite scenes in Trek now. And I loved that his unconventional chess tactics trying to sew chaos were the clue to how to avoid the mines.

    Then they deliver another classic scene in the same episode with Airiam's sacrifice at the end. Anyone who says Sonequa Martin-Green can't act or emote is full of shit. And kudos to Hannah Cheesman for a great performance as well.
     
  20. Dave Scarpa

    Dave Scarpa Commander Red Shirt

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    Atrium could have been an interesting character if she just wasnt in the background for a season and a half, I would have felt more if they had killed Linus. The stress playing her was interesting, I wish we knew her better