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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x04 - "An Obol for Charon"

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Hell, Star Wars Episode III doesn't perfectly line up with Star Wars Episode IV. Nor even The Clone Wars for that matter, and that series was produced within three years of Episode III being in theaters.
 
Hell, Star Wars Episode III doesn't perfectly line up with Star Wars Episode IV. Nor even The Clone Wars for that matter, and that series was produced within three years of Episode III being in theaters.

Hell, Rogue One is supposed to line up with Episode IV to the point where one ends the other is supposed to begin, and it doesn't an a number of important ways that would have been incredibly easy to do if anyone cared.
 
Hell, Rogue One is supposed to line up with Episode IV to the point where one ends the other is supposed to begin, and it doesn't an a number of important ways that would have been incredibly easy to do if anyone cared.
They line up fine.

But this isn't the thread to argue that.
 
Hell, Rogue One is supposed to line up with Episode IV to the point where one ends the other is supposed to begin, and it doesn't an a number of important ways that would have been incredibly easy to do if anyone cared.
Yeah, as interesting as Rogue One was and was a very surprising movie I agree that it doesn't line up perfectly well. However, it lines up enough and fits the narrative well enough. It also does a great job of illustrating elements of the Rebellion previously unseen.

In all that, it does its job and it does it well.
 
'7'

Solidly entertaining outing. Liked the story quite a bit. Hopefully, they are telegraphing something more for Saru and his people.

The only real down note is that Rebecca Romijn isn't doing it for me as Number One right now.
 
The only real down note is that Rebecca Romijn isn't doing it for me as Number One right now.

that makes two of us
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I think the difference is that what you are seeing as a problem, I see as a positive - I liked the fact that TNG didn't replace Wesley, and just had either extras or a Detmer like minor character in Ensign Ro fill that seat. If there's no story reason for that position to be a main character, then I'm very happy with it not being one. They are there to fill the seat and say "yes sir" and "now showing all stop". That's fine. What Discovery improves on is that it is usually the same people too, so they at least become familiar. Outside of Trek, most shows have such a supporting cast of background players who fulfill this sort of role - SG-1 and BSG are two examples which come to mind. Familiar faces that were in some cases there for almost the whole run of the show, but aren't ever going to do much more than deliver a few lines. Heck, TOS basically did this too, it's just over fifty years we've all become so familiar with the supporting cast we tend to remember their parts as larger than they were. It was TNG that set us down the road of every significant crew position being a regular.
Discovery's approach helps keep the ship seeming real, but without unnecessary main characters to service clogging up the narrative. Or explaining why the doctor and chief engineer keep coming to the bridge for no real reason.

Um, why? Why do you like that? It's stupid, it's a waste, it's a poor use of resources for a TV show and it's just something dumb and distracting for your audience. BTW, Ro had more character development in one act of one episode of TNG than Detmer, Asian Guy, Robot Gal and Black Gal have had in 25 episodes.

They are FINALLY, SLOWLY, BARELY starting to define those glorified extras on the DSC bridge, but what a waste of resources. How poorly planned and dumb. They basically have all the importance on the show as an extra Picard passes in the corridor.

It's a very poor, frustrating way to make a TV show. Sure, there were plenty of background extras on "Mad Men", but Don Draper didn't sit in meetings with useless extras who ever talked. Even minor characters like Harry, Cosgrove, etc., who may not have only gotten a tiny handful of storylines dedicated to them over the show's run, had very specific voices, personalities and points of view.

It's just idiotic to spend so much time on the bridge with people who the show doesn't even care to define, like, a little.

I'm all for mixing things up. I think it was a bold idea to focus the show on a character who wasn't the captain and who had a specific and long-term storyarc being planned. (in theory, anyway. I think Burnham is kind of a drag as a character, but that's another argument.)

But the show is still a ship-based Star Trek show. Similar shows have had in the neighborhood of 8-9 series regular characters, all of whom we know and understand, even if they're seldom the focus of the main narrative.

There comes a point when not playing by the rules just results in a bad game.
 
Well, I'd say because in 2x03 we saw Michael adjusting their brightness. I assume they're windows but they have some kind of natural light simulation going. Also, it would be weird if those windows were bright white two weeks in a row in two different parts of space when all other windows have shown stars and such outside. And sickbay also seems to have windows that aren't actually windows...
Actually, she's just pressing a button which opens the hatches/blinds and lets more light in. The hatches are visibly sliding up. Why would there be hatches if they simply were natural light simulators? It's also worth noting that other windows on the ship (in Pike's ready room, for example) also have bright orange-y light shining through.
 
But the show is still a ship-based Star Trek show. Similar shows have had in the neighborhood of 8-9 series regular characters, all of whom we know and understand, even if they're seldom the focus of the main narrative.

Only if you go by 1990s model. DISCO is more like classic TOS so far.

Works for me.

Heck, I've been rewatching the 1970s version of BUCK ROGERS lately. That show only had three human regulars in its first season: Buck, Wilma, and Docter Huer. There's no rule that says that every space show has to have a big ensemble cast.
 
Only if you go by 1990s model. DISCO is more like classic TOS so far.

Works for me.

Heck, I've been rewatching the 1970s version of BUCK ROGERS lately. That show only had three human regulars in its first season: Buck, Wilma, and Docter Huer. There's no rule that says that every space show has to have a big ensemble cast.

please don't mention season 2 - i'd also count twiggy as a regular
 
Fiction is strange. In general, we can immerse ourselves in a work of fiction ("No, don't go in the basement!") and appreciate it as a work of art ("Wow, the writing is really good in this scene!") simultaneously.

That being said, I do have a pet theory that, even though we all do this to some degree, there's a spectrum here, where some people are more about the immersion--and react negatively to any reminder that they're actually watching a theatrical production--while others lean more toward the aesthetic and don't really need to believe that what's happening is "real" to enjoy it. So some fans find such discrepancies jarring, while some of us just shrug it off as a change in art direction that makes no real difference when it comes to watching a televised entertainment.
I quite agree. What I can't fathom is why, when some fans offer opinions and critiques involving one aspect of this, some other fans always insist on weighing in to say "Why do you care about that? It doesn't matter! What's wrong with you?" IMHO, if X or Y or Z isn't important to your personal enjoyment of a work, bully for you; just stay on the sidelines when others are discussing XYZ, rather than trying to throw a wet blanket over things.

Personally, I can and do very much enjoy discussing the real-world aspects of a work's aesthetics (and themes, and so forth) after the fact, when I'm analyzing it. However, when I'm watching or reading it, I very much want that sense of in-story immersion. Just the other day I was reading a novel, for instance, and it was generally quite good, but there was a stretch where the author reunited a certain set of characters after separating them for various events which—for one subset—took four days, and yet—for the other subset—took two days. And I noticed that immediately, and it bugged the hell out of me. And this was a single story by a single author; there wasn't even the too-many-cooks excuse of franchise fiction.

The ultimate goal I sear here is to be able to set both your immersion and aesthetic meters to ten as well as unchecking the pre-conceived notions box. I try to watch something being what it is...
Well, sure, that seems reasonable... if everyone can agree on "what it is." But if "what it is" to you is a present-day TV show that's not beholden to anything that's come before, and "what it is" to me is the latest installment in the larger Star Trek universe, and moreover one that owes its entire existence and many of its core characters to TOS, to which it is explicitly a prequel... well, then we're not going to see eye to eye, because our expectations will be very different.
 
please don't mention season 2 - i'd also count twiggy as a regular
2nd season, huh? Then don't forget Hawkman...errr...Hawk or Birdperson, or whatever his name was.

And, btw, that's "Twiki", not "Twiggy"; Twiggy was a 1960s and 70s supermodel-turned-actress. Plus if you mention Twiki, you must include Dr. Theopolis.

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