Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Canon is the body of work, mistakes and all.

Mistakes can, and will, be ignored.

Like the "200 years ago" bit in DS9's "Doctor Bashir, I Presume". That would have put Khan and his ilk after the founding of the Federation, which is obviously impossible. The writer of that episode flat-out admitted that he screwed up. So, as an obvious mistake, that line can safely be ignored.

Same story here.

Remember, the only reason that weird-ass Klingon ship was ever called "D7" is because some studio bigwig jumped the gun and ordered the line put in, in defiance of every bit of actual work being done on the show. It was never supposed to be called D7, it was always supposed to be Sech class. And now that we know what the D7 really looks like (they obviously can't both be one), then the earlier bit can be ignored.

See how easy that was? Hell, I'm tempted to go to work on the Memory Alpha page right now.

 

[BillJ]

Remember, the only reason that weird-ass Klingon ship was ever called "D7" is because some studio bigwig jumped the gun and ordered the line put in, in defiance of every bit of actual work being done on the show. It was never supposed to be called D7, it was always supposed to be Sech class. And now that we know what the D7 really looks like (they obviously can't both be one), then the earlier bit can be ignored.

Do you have any actual proof, or are you simply making it up as you go along?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Mistakes can, and will, be ignored.

Like the "200 years ago" bit in DS9's "Doctor Bashir, I Presume". That would have put Khan and his ilk after the founding of the Federation, which is obviously impossible. The writer of that episode flat-out admitted that he screwed up. So, as an obvious mistake, that line can safely be ignored.

Same story here.

Remember, the only reason that weird-ass Klingon ship was ever called "D7" is because some studio bigwig jumped the gun and ordered the line put in, in defiance of every bit of actual work being done on the show. It was never supposed to be called D7, it was always supposed to be Sech class. And now that we know what the D7 really looks like (they obviously can't both be one), then the earlier bit can be ignored.

See how easy that was? Hell, I'm tempted to go to work on the Memory Alpha page right now.

In fairness, you could have both ships as 'D-7's' The Sech class could be a 'D-7 Mark 1' and the ship seen in 'Point of Light' as a 'D-7 Mark 2'. Especially if 'D-7' is a generic name that Starfleet uses for Klingon destroyers.

I just put the error down to D-7 being what was scripted with little consideration to what the actual ship would look like.

 

[oberth]

In fairness, you could have both ships as 'D-7's' The Sech class could be a 'D-7 Mark 1' and the ship seen in 'Point of Light' as a 'D-7 Mark 2'. Especially if 'D-7' is a generic name that Starfleet uses for Klingon destroyers.

I just put the error down to D-7 being what was scripted with little consideration to what the actual ship would look like.

nah, foreign vessels have codenames (especially if their are real names are unknown or unpronoucable) so D-7 kinda stands for destroyer mk 7 and the D-7s in question are too far apart and too different to be batches of the same design.

i prefer that somebody just fucked it up and pretent the problem doesn't exist - problem solved.

if they ever remaster ent i'm sure they use that D-4 or make a totally new one

 

[Noname Given]

What is onscreen is canon.

So, "James R. Kirk" then too?

 

[Nyotarules]

I was reading Jammer's review of this episode and he brings up a good point:

https://www.jammersreviews.com/st-dsc/s2/point-of-light.php

Yeah, how come L'Rell didn't bring up the bomb when the Kolsha dude was blackmailing her?

The same reason TNG Starfleet never used transwarp beaming in TNG

And Picard fought 3 nausicaans when he was Burnham's age or slightly younger. Yes he got stabbed in the heart, but it took him fighting 3 nausicaans for that to happen. You pretty much proved the point i was trying to make. You're willing to make allowances to accept the mary sue-ness of one character but won't do the same for another.

Btw, I want to make it clear I'm not taking issue with you personally, but general notion of fans accepting something in one character while criticising it another.

And TOS Kirk managed to fight Khan of all people, compare that scene to Kelvin Kirk fighting Kelvin Khan in STID. Maybe TOS Kirk had Augment DNA

 

[DaveyNY]

The same reason TNG Starfleet never used transwarp beaming in TNG



And TOS Kirk managed to fight Khan of all people, compare that scene to Kelvin Kirk fighting Kelvin Khan in STID. Maybe TOS Kirk had Augment DNA

Perhaps TOS Khan wasn't quite up to snuff at that point, after having been in stasis for over 200 years and such a short time to recuperate before fighting Kirk.
Whereas Kelvin Khan had been long out of the stasis pod and also apparently had time to have had plastic surgery to alter his appearance by the time he took on Kirk & Spock.

It's funny that in both cases, Khan was finally taken out by being attacked from behind though.
(Kirk beats the chit outta his back with a pipe and Uhura stuns him in the back)

 

[cooleddie74]

Khan Prime had been in cryostasis for 271 years prior to the events of the episode and had been awake for - at the most - a few days before Kirk learned his true identity and the Augments tried to take over the Enterprise. He wasn't completely up to snuff and underestimated Kirk both tactically and physically.

 

[Vger23]

I liked "New Eden," but I thought it layed the traditional Trek tropes on a little thick. But I think I come to watch DSC looking for different things than I come to other series in the franchise.

I loved "New Eden," but I'm with you...I gravitate toward DSC because of its differences, not its similarities.

 

[Campe]

So, "James R. Kirk" then too?

Everything after that was a canon violation.

<whispers> not teh cannon

 

[Photoman15]

Impossible. Women can't be captains. That's Canon!!!!!!!!

Women can't be captains of STARSHIPS. Which at one point meant only the 12 Constitution Class ships. Other ships were open game.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Women can't be captains of STARSHIPS. Which at one point meant only the 12 Constitution Class ships. Other ships were open game.

Not sure how that's better.

 

[Campe]

Women can't be captains of STARSHIPS. Which at one point meant only the 12 Constitution Class ships. Other ships were open game.

So the Columbia wasn’t a starship?
The Shenzhou wasn’t a starship?

 

[Nyotarules]

So the Columbia wasn’t a starship?
The Shenzhou wasn’t a starship?

The Starfleet of TOS took place in a reality where racism and speciesm was the norm, its the only way to explain all those human males running Starfleet Command.

 

[thribs]

I like Star Trek Continues idea of that “women can’t be captains” line.
Personally I just think she just misheard that from somewhere. She was insane after all.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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I like Star Trek Continues idea of that “women can’t be captains” line.
Personally I just think she just misheard that from somewhere. She was insane after all.

Or the only one who knew the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[drt]

In fairness, you could have both ships as 'D-7's' The Sech class could be a 'D-7 Mark 1' and the ship seen in 'Point of Light' as a 'D-7 Mark 2'. Especially if 'D-7' is a generic name that Starfleet uses for Klingon destroyers.

I just put the error down to D-7 being what was scripted with little consideration to what the actual ship would look like.

Or we could prretend that the computer said something in Klingonese that sounded like "D7" ("D'chvaN" or something), the same way Kronos became Q'onoS.

 

[Tuskin38]

M-A already split the D7 and DSC D7 into two separate articles.

"D7" and "D7 (2256)"

 

[oberth]

may sound a bit nOObish, but this stuff about women can't be captains eluded me so far somebody got a link, please?

 

[Turtletrekker]

may sound a bit nOObish, but this stuff about women can't be captains eluded me so far somebody got a link, please?

Turnabout Intuder has the distinction of being the final episode of The original series to air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnabout_Intruder

There is a line in the episode about how women can't command starships, but it was completely ignored thereafter. So, it's nothing but a throwaway line from the final episode that was never taken seriously by anyone.