Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Feb 11, 2018.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - A wonderful season finale!

    89 vote(s)
  2. 9

    51 vote(s)
  3. 8

    63 vote(s)
  4. 7

    46 vote(s)
  5. 6

    18 vote(s)
  6. 5

    24 vote(s)
  7. 4

    15 vote(s)
  8. 3

    10 vote(s)
  9. 2

    7 vote(s)
  10. 1 - An awful season finale.

    16 vote(s)
  1. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 2, 2013
    Here’s an anecdote, related, in sort of the opposite direction...or at least more complex.
    I don’t really like TOS. It’s not my thing. Family members know I like Star Trek however, so I still own TOS merchandise, because they get it for me (and my son) at Xmas etc.
    I have heard people shopping in Forbidden Planet in the old days, and ‘well, he likes Star Trek’ is more likely to result in TOS stuff being suggested, there’s more of it, it’s seen as the safe choice.
    Now, that’s not much in the way of ‘tng era more popular’ but it is, I think, a part of why TOS shifts more.
    Anecdote too, but like I said, I think it’s nuanced. The only thing I can tell you is KT doesn’t shift toys, didn’t bother with books, but becomes the default for fancy dress costumes by virtue of being cheapest.
  2. jaime

    jaime Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 2, 2013
    That Gucci campaign was terrible xD
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  3. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

    Apr 23, 2010
    ALWAYS like this before
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  4. unimatrix7

    unimatrix7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 6, 2001
    Look, I've had a few drinks but stay with me here.

    In the finale, Georgiou talked with Tilly about the jolly time they had subduing Betazed.

    How could would it be if Georgiou's name was actually Imperial Majesty, Mother of the Fatherland, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Kronos, Regina Andor, Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed, Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Rixx Emperor Philippa Georgiou Augustus Iaponius Centarius

    The writers missed a massive opportunity to make me giggle like a fanboy and I will never foget.
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  5. SJGardner

    SJGardner Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 10, 2018
    In the center of Europe
    The Sacred Chalice of Rixx is an old clay pot with mold growing inside it.
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  6. unimatrix7

    unimatrix7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 6, 2001
    Fair point. So not worth mentioning when your name and title is already like several hundred words long, perhaps?
  7. SJGardner

    SJGardner Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jan 10, 2018
    In the center of Europe
    For all we know about Georgiou, she might have made the exact same comment Troi had made whenever the Betazoids tried to get her to add their title to the list of her own... she might have even had the Chalice broken into shards just to spite them when they mentioned it too many times.
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  8. Longinus

    Longinus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 2, 2008
    It was GLORIOUS!


    This shit looks way more interesting that anything on Discovery.
  9. unimatrix7

    unimatrix7 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Dec 6, 2001
    She may also use it to put Kelpian bones in when she's eaten all the meat off them.
  10. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    Pretty sure that's just a still from "Way to Eden" ;)
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  11. CaptainMurdock

    CaptainMurdock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Feb 5, 2013
    Or an unreleased still from Season 4? The bridge got a downgrade. :D
  12. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 25, 2001
    The Warped Sector of the Demented Quadrant
    YAYYYYY, Brother!
  13. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Tomorrow Never Knows Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    Here, There and Everywhere
    Looks more Ziggy Stardust than Star Trek.
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  14. gblews

    gblews Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 13, 2004
    So. Cal.
    Well, I've already posted why I interpreted this series of events as an unorthodox conclusion to a series of logical actions, i.e. seeking Sarek's counsel, etc.
    But how do you know this applies in this situation? I mean, how do you know it for a fact? Was it stated somewhere in this episode or sometime later?
    But you'd think that if she really had been suffering from some psych disability that robbed her of her rationality as you've claimed, that she would have taken advantage of Cornwell's plan to get rid of the Klingons forever. After all, she had Starfleet's blessings, so that would have covered her. She would have been a hero and maybe still get her commission back. Of course, she would have had to live with the guilt, but an irrational person would not be likely to think of future consequences Instead, Burnham does what a rational person and competent Starfleet officer would have done, refuse to commit genocide.
    Right, I remember. Burnham still has sad memories of her parents death and carries some guilt. The raucous Klingons brought on those memories, but instead of doing something irrational like pulling her phase pistol and threatening or charging the Klingons, she does what a rational person would do, she separates herself from them and regains her composure. Also, consider that Burnham seemed to be cool with individual Klingons all during the season.

    But here's the real issue with this debate; the producers have never confirmed that Burnham suffered from any psych disability as an adult. There isn't one piece of on screen dialogue that confirms it. When these writers (like most Trek writers) want us to know something important about a character, they leave no room for debate. MU Lorca, Voq/Tyler, Lorca's manipulation of Stamets, Lorca's hand in taking the ship into the MU, all of these things were open to debate for a time, but were eventually confirmed on screen one way or the other. The same is true of this PTSD thing. If it were really a part of Burnham's storyline, the writers would have confirmed it on screen.
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  15. Worf2DS9

    Worf2DS9 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Aug 15, 2001
    Canada, eh
    What did stand out for me were the Andorians in the stands with identical hairdos, which had "cut and paste" all over it. :D

    It certainly appears that way, and it's something I disliked when they omitted it in the JJ-verse too. The bottom of the saucer looks too unfinished without those underside markings. Hopefully will know for sure in Season 2 with some clearer shots -- though on this show, that may be wishful thinking. :D
  16. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    May 7, 2011
    Aug 10, 2399
    "Scared Kelpian makes for tough Kelpian."
  17. Uhura's Song

    Uhura's Song Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 5, 2017
    Solid if unspectacular finale.

    Glad MU Georgiou survives. Redemption arc exploration ahead?

    Liked that Ash went with L'Rell. Though the Klingon side of things was too tidy & too trusting from Starfleet.

    Market scenes were good. No blowback from a mutiny vs the Admiral. If a mild one. Ready for S2.
  18. Jaimito

    Jaimito Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 25, 2017
    Finally watched the episode. Not the best season finale, but it was good enough and tied up loose ends.
    Thought the Lorell unifying the houses was a bit rushed not well explained. It seemed too easy for warrior species that were about to attack be called off because she was holding a iPad with federation symbols. Perhaps they will elaborate it more in future episodes. Ash/Voq will live on in Klingon world. I wonder if Lorell will want him back.

    Loved how Phillipa kung fu Lorell's ass in the brig.

    The orion outpost scene was nicely done, from the twin phallic urination to the threesome action. MU Phillipa is everything the PU wasn't and they didnt hold anything back in showing it. Having her live on will make some interesting cameos in future episodes.

    Tilly's salute to the emperor was hilarious.

    Enterprise at the end was a nice teaser for the next episode. Who will play Spock and Pike? I like the fact they designed the Enterprise in the same modern theme, rather than rehashing the toy models of the 60's TOS like they did for DS9 episode.

    As for the new DISCO captain, I wonder who will they cast. With Culbert gone, they will need to cast a medical officer too.

    Can't wait for S2, but sounds like we wont see one until 2019?
  19. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

    Jul 24, 2011
    Tried to make a comparison of Paris in Google Maps and the one in this episode

    One thing I noticed (I even checked other screen caps) is that the right side of 'Palais de Chaillot' (?) is missing, even in other screen caps that show the area better, it's just gone. It might not be lit up, or is just obscured, but I can't find it.

    Last edited: Mar 5, 2018
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  20. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

    Apr 27, 2003
    Ottawa, Canada
    For those of us unfamiliar with Paris geography...?