Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Oct 15, 2017.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Absolutely fantastic!

    18.1%
  2. 9

    28.7%
  3. 8

    21.8%
  4. 7

    13.3%
  5. 6

    3.9%
  6. 5

    6.3%
  7. 4

    3.0%
  8. 3

    2.4%
  9. 2

    0.3%
  10. 1 - I sling mudd at it!

    2.1%
  1. USS Triumphant

    USS Triumphant Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yes, of course. Brain fart. Fixed now. :drool: (<--- not sexy drooling. Idiot drooling. ;) )
     
  2. gblews

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    I would disagree with this point. Nearly everyone, if not everyone, who posts in this forum has watched every episode of DSC and comes to this forum to post about the episodes. This includes you, BTW, and everyone else who claims not to have found anything appealing about the show. . Those are things that fans do. Doesn't matter if you "love" or "hate" the show, since "love" and "hate" are two sides of the same coin.

    The folks who are uninterested in DSC, probably don't watch the show or post about the show. So, this forum definitely is a "fanbase" to which I say, all are welcome.:biggrin:
     
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  3. BillJ

    BillJ Former Democrat Premium Member

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    Or you're a general Star Trek fan (I've been watching this stuff for forty years), and simply following the latest iteration. I want to like Discovery, it just hasn't clicked for me yet. Each week brings new hope.
     
  4. EnderAKH

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    But narratively that's not what makes a main character. She is both the primary point of view character, and she is clearly the protagonist because it is her character's journey we are on. The Arc of this show from a character standpoint is primarily the redemption of Michael Burnham.
     
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

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    This most definitely IS a disco fanbase! :scream:

    *mirrorball descends*

    Doalittledance...makealittlelove...watch DSC tonight...watch DSC tonight...
     
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  6. GeekUSACarl

    GeekUSACarl The Last Starfighter Fleet Captain

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    not in the last two episodes and i predict this will continue.
     
  7. JRS

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    Did somebody say disco?:D:hugegrin:
     
  8. gblews

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    As I posted, you watch every episode, you come here and post about it. You're a fan, bro.

    The fact that you have this much interest in DSC is the determining factor, regardless of the fact you claim that the only reason you're watching is simply because it's Trek, or that it hasn't "clicked" for you yet.

    Come on out of the closet, we're ALL fans here. :)
     
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  9. Agony_Boothb

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    Love it or hate it, Discovery is bringing people together, even if we don't agree on certain things. My interest in trek had waned in the last few years, but Discovery has brought me back. Discovery isn't perfect but I love being able to talk to people about new trek again.
     
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  10. nutshell

    nutshell Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Let's not forget. Fan is short for fanatic.
     
  11. 137th Gebirg

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    More’s the pity. I want to see more of the rest of the crew.
     
  12. Refuge

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    And new disappointment, lol.
     
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  13. Mad Jack Wolfe

    Mad Jack Wolfe Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'm fine with this arc being about Burnham's redemption. A story mechanic that makes me lose interest is Burnham's three steps forward, two (or even three) steps back progression. In fact, her redemption seems more dependent upon everyone else learning to accept her manipulative, disingenuous crap and misanthropic behaviour rather than any substantive transformation on her part.

    She's a brilliant, gifted scientist but an impulsive, self-destructive pain in the ass? Sorry, I already saw it - and enjoyed it far more - on Sherlock.
     
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  14. Mr. Nova

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    No accounting for taste. Tuned in to see a new Orville this week, but it was a rerun, and I didn't anticipate any new insights, so I skipped it.
     
  15. Trekfan12

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    Ripper grew on me too. I miss him :'(
     
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  16. Refuge

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    Ripper had potential, I would have liked to have known his full story, get inside that multi-faceted head of his. What motivated him? Did he act out of primal rage, hunger, or vengeance? Alas he took to the black tapestry of space, a little swirl of spores floating around him like a rainbow of magic dust. Sniffed the trail of home and jettisoned away like a shooting star.

    Goodbye sweet Ripper.
     
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  17. USS Fardell

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    Choose Your Pain review
    The fifth episode of the series. An interesting story, but there is at least one element I didn't like. The 'colourful metaphors'! Like, this isn't your parent's Star Trek! But more on that later. More is revealed about Lorca. There is certainly history between him and Admiral Cornwell. Their interaction is rather good, particularly when she's confronting him about recruiting Burnham. Then there is Mudd. He was also done rather well, there was no problem believing that he was the same character that Kirk and Spock will meet.
    That he was collaborating with the Klingons, there's no doubt. Lorca was well justified in how he reacted to this news, even abandoning him on the ship. Tyler (I don't think he's Voq) was good also, he also wanted to escape from the captivity, from what L'Rell was doing. Talking of L'Rell, she's getting more interesting (what else are the House of Moquai up to? I still don't think Tyler is Voq...) She clearly didn't want Lorca to escape. (Lorca seems to hold out better than Picard will against Madred), but then the scenes aren't the focus of the episode.
    (Even less than that episode of Babylon 5; Intersections in Real Time.) Still, the escape was done rather well, particularly with Saru recognising that the fighter that Lorca amd Tyler was in wasn't their enemy. Then there is the situation with the Tardigrade. Each jump had been draining it, and after the jump to rescue Lorca, Ripper enters a state of hibernation (or specifically, a state of cryptobiosis) due to the stress. Thus Staments having to take it's place after the rescue, but more on that below.
    Burnham letting it go is a logical development of her earlier concern for it's welfare. (I don't think it goes to warp, rather it jumps into the Galactic Mycelium.) Saru's worries about being a good commander was done well also (I liked the list too). But back to the 'f-bomb' issue. It wasn't at all necessary. Data's swear in Generations wasn't as gratuitous as this was. It reflected the situation that they were in (with the Saucer entering Veridian III's atmosphere) and was also a consequence of the effect that the emotion chip was having on him.
    The scene with Staments and Culber was interesting, especially with the bit with mirror at the end. (Is the mirror universe involved? I don't think so.) 7/10. (The 'f-bomb' lowers it a bit!)
     
  18. Markonian

    Markonian Fleet Admiral Moderator

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    “So does fungus.” (Seven of Nine quote from Beyer’a Voyager novels)

    Something I’m wondering about: while Ripper was still aboard, would it not have been an option to jump past Klingon defences into close orbit of Klinzhai (sun of Qo’noS) and cause a solar flare or nova by targeting the star with a trilithium-dekalithium-tekasite-whathaveyou compound? And if that worked, target the Empire’s most populous colonies next?
     
  19. USS Fardell

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    Choose Your Pain nitpicks
    The D7
    That certainly doesn't look like a D7!
    (Too much of an error so... maybe the basic framework of the ship is shared with a D7?)

    Colourful metaphors
    Tilly being awkward and being from somewhere other than Iowa.
     
  20. Guy Gardener

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