Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Oct 15, 2017.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Absolutely fantastic!

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  10. 1 - I sling mudd at it!

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  1. Vger23

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  2. Longinus

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  3. Rahul

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    Absolutely! I wouldn't necessary go so far to say "shit writing". Because the writing - in form of dialogue and structure of scenes - is actually quite nice.

    But the finger-prints of executive meddling are all over the place, and the scripts in their entirety don't make much sense in their plotting and structure or are very by-the-numbers.

    My hope is this aspect of the show will get better, once they have a functioning workflow-process. Somethign which results we can maybe already see during the second half of the first season.
     
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    Oh God, they're both Holo-Riker
     
  5. Feron

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    I've seen no evidence that Lorca conducts "captain's meetings". It doesn't appear to be his style. Just like he tends to dislike sitting in "the chair", I don't think that the idea of sitting in a conference room chatting with crew appeals to him. His management style is more of, as he states it: "My ship, my rules."

    For myself, I find it rather refreshing. Burnham is in a situation that most of the viewers can more easily identify with. All of the past Trek shows had the main character in charge, the meetings were to help them decide what course of action to take -- but ultimately they got to decide.

    The Discovery environment is more akin to what most of us experience in real life. We aren't in charge, people above us hold the power. We have to decide how to deal with situations when people above us make decisions that we do not like or think unwise.
     
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  6. GeekUSACarl

    GeekUSACarl The Last Starfighter Fleet Captain

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    i dont honestly think tng. ds9. ent or voy had a main character. didnt seem the shows were written that way.
     
  7. Grendelsbayne

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    My wife actually fantasizes about the idea of living in a post-apocalyptic world - getting back to nature and leaving the millions of jerks in the world out of her life. She would be completely ok with having to deal with zombies or monsters in this scenario.

    Of course, the show is still hard for her to watch because of what happens to the characters sometimes (she loved Glenn, too), but apparently that element of a world wiped clean does maintain a certain fascination for her. (She also likes to imagine how she would react and deal with the situations there - of course, she thinks she'd have killed Negan a long time past already...)
     
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  8. cultcross

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    The Captain in each series was the focus of more than their fair share of stories; not a main character in the sense of Burnham, but pretty central, a focal point around which stories revolve. The vast majority of the most famous and popular episodes feature the Captain front and centre.

    "Yes, Mr Secretary General, they've clearly gone too far this time."
     
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    People who say things like that always imagine being the big damn hero of the zombie flick, rather than the way likelier scenario of being the poor SoB that gets their brain eaten in the first five minutes of the film.
     
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  10. GeekUSACarl

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    i disagree. i noticed this last time i ran through tng and am noticing it clearly in DS9. the vast majority if the episodes i see are strongly scenario based not particularly based on o e character.

    after this ds9 run ill do another tng run but i find this to be a bit of a misconception. the execution imo just doesnt bear the main character thing to be true.
     
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    There must be punishment for suggesting things like this. I'm working on it. ;) :devil:
     
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  12. USS Triumphant

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    In addition to what @Longinus said, I have to add that I find Negan to be completely unrealistic, and it's kinda ruining the show for me. If he had a cadre of forces that we're loyal to him for some real reason like he had a large family, or the soldiers under his command before Day Zero, or some great cause or plan they believed in and that he's crucial to implementing, or whatever, then maybe, but as it is, there's no way his own people wouldn't have ended him for the way he acts.
     
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    I have only one thing to say about Negan and his people. Agree or disagree all you want, but...it has to be posted.

     
  14. imdbrefugee

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    I agree that the acting overall has been pretty damn fantastic.
     
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    Somebody else has probably thought of the same idea, but my hypothesis is that Lorca doesn't like to sit down because of severe discomfort from his bad case of hemorrhoids.

    :vulcan:

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  16. Guy Gardener

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    Lorca has trouble seeing out of his brown eye too?
     
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    That's absolutely the case. Though, she has had to deal with actual confrontations before (obviously not on the same level), so it's not completely baseless. And she wouldn't be the big damn hero, anyway - she'd go live on the mountaintop and raise goats or something.
     
  18. Longinus

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    Sounds like a solid plan, actually. Kinda depends on how good the zombies are at climbing and whether there are zombie goats.
     
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    23rd century holographic technology is surprisingly advanced, and Lorca's brown eye is also photosensitive...
     
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  20. Kemaiku

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    Well we had a "Class O star" that was so small compared to Discovery it would be a small moon, so dull it gave off little true luminosity of a star (I know, if it were close to correct the entire audience would be blind) and it's....red, not a blue giant as it should be. On the entire opposite end of the scale, for people who work in space that's a collosal mistake, especially for the fucking navigator who plots their course by them. With bionic enhancement no less.

    Mistakes are thick and fast in this one.
     
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