That's what has disappointed me about Discovery. There isn't a sense that the choices are being made by those who have a moral compass, they're baddy two shoes, lol.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"
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What, NONE of it? You don't even like "The Arsenal of Freedom"???
Do you even Star Trek, bro?
I've been asking that question since 2008.
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What, NONE of it? You don't even like "The Arsenal of Freedom"???
Do you even Star Trek, bro?
I've been asking that question since 2008.
I like some of TNG, the introduction of the Borg was fun and some other things were OK, but overall no I did not care for TNG.
I sometimes feel tempted to ask the "do you even Star Trek" question of TNG fans who seem completely ignorant of TOS. I prefer the more realistic character interactions of it and other series to TNG's monocultural "safe space in outer space" approach. But as I've stated, I normally restrain myself from doing that, because most adults understand that if they were to be expending a lot of energy to attempt to get others to dislike the same things that they do that it would be most likely simply an immense waste of time and effort.
TNG fans are free to love it. You are free to gripe about Disco. I just fail to see what benefit folks derive from going to a place full of Disco fans and whining about it achieves.
Watch away and enjoy. So far I've also been watching and like you have come to the table with previous Trek viewer mileageHowever I did enjoy past Trek so maybe that's the difference. It had humour, colour and soul.
That being said I will continue until and if it totally jumps the shark, because I have a loyalty and a free month.. that has now been increased by two more.
Umm... are you implying that I said that I did not "enjoy past Trek?" If so, please quote exactly where I said this. If not, please drop the passive-aggressive sparring because it's 3:13 am where I am and I'm sipping tea before hitting the sack and don't want to argue this point with you into the morning
(if it was the vanilla Trek comment -- it did not encompass ALL Trek, because I'm sure you and I may just have hated the same, uhh, vanilla Trek ep or two here and there!)And good for you that you want to keep watching. I applaud that spirit! May I suggest you keep an open mind (as Trek taught us) while doing it?
Does Saru want to learn from Lorca, or can Saru learn anything of value from Lorca?
Georgou was an explorer, and Lorca is a soldier.
They are different people.
Lorca's lesson plan is probably going to be emotionally toxic, and more so is Lorca a teacher, or does he want fully formed officers who get'er done?
Georgou was an explorer, and Lorca is a soldier.
They are different people.
Lorca's lesson plan is probably going to be emotionally toxic, and more so is Lorca a teacher, or does he want fully formed officers who get'er done?
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I don't think Season 1, Episode 5 of a brand new Trek is the place to start making those blanket pronouncements about who has the corner on the moral high ground.
I do have questions about this in my mind and I hope TPTB address this at some point. In fact, I'm looking forward to them doing so. Why exactly is Saru Lorca's XO? What do they have in common, what do they talk about, how did they meet, and what does each of them see in the other? So far, we have not seen a single interaction between them that has ANY trace of a close working relationship. Lorca seemed closer to Landry (figures, though he didn't seem to shed too many tears at her demise -- that We got to see, at least), and he's much more interested in Michael than any other of his crew.
I'd like to know why he chose Saru as his XO, or if Sary was just foisted on him. Either way, it'd be an interested thing to watch.
Discovery took as many Shenzou crewmen as were available, which may have been all of them and one more that was in a hole, and that may not have been Lorca's decision, since there's no time during war to leisurely staff a star ship horse-trading with Starfleet Operations and the other captains in the fleet.
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Are scars sexy?
If L'Rell is now sexier, surely a better class of man is going to be interested in her now.
But she seems like a class act, intent to stay with the man she picked, even after surgically mutilating him into a lowly human.
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Are scars sexy?
If L'Rell is now sexier, surely a better class of man is going to be interested in her now.
But she seems like a class act, intent to stay with the man she picked, even after surgically mutilating him into a lowly human.
Yep watching the early episodes of deep space nine made me realise how characters i loved in later seasons are god awful in the first one.
Does anyone really believe that Michael during a red alert, sat in her room and waited for the situation to calm itself without her aid?
There's going to be a flashback later in the season, or next week, where it is revealed that she did something pivotal at this point while no one was looking.
Jason Issacs (Yes, Jason, not Gabriel) threatened to kill Saru more than once in After Trek last week.
Dude is dark.
There's going to be a flashback later in the season, or next week, where it is revealed that she did something pivotal at this point while no one was looking.
Jason Issacs (Yes, Jason, not Gabriel) threatened to kill Saru more than once in After Trek last week.
Dude is dark.
Sure. And thus I'm a bit perplexed how so many people seem to be rooting for Lorca and making excuses for his horrible behaviour.
Winning is a virtue.
I'm not a TNG fan. However this is a Discovery forum not a Disco fanbase.
Why not? Other gushing blanket statements are made.
That was strangely prophetic:
I guess you guys are seriously missing a very important point here:
Not liking SOME parts of a thing doesn't mean not liking EVERYthing of it.
I hate SOME things of Discovery. Prime example: The Captain, whom we are supposed to root for at this point, being a war criminal.
Cpt. Georgious violated the Geneva convention as well (mining the corpses of enemy soldiers before their retrieval). But that was clearly only an oversight by the writers at that time, since her actions were understandable and justifiable in the heat of the moment. I whish she youldn't have done that, and I'm sure the writers would change that if they had catched that earlier. But it didn't really hurt her character or her moral standing. Lorca, on the other hand, went full Trump in this episode.
No problems with him being an asshole sometimes. Cpt. Jellico (who was an asshole most the time) is one of my favourite Starfleet Captains, despite, or more likely, because of is flaws. You could be the same opinion as him, or you could be opposed to him. But he had his own set of working behaviour and rules. And he wasn't a fucking war criminal.
He, too, would have left Picard back for torture and death. But he had reasons for that. Picard simply was out of his reach, and freeing him by force would have meant full war. He didn't left him behind because "he surely would be a Cardassian collaborateur at this point". Lorca on the other hand was totally capable of saving Mudd, he just decided not to, because he was a dick, and did morally ambivalent stuff because he didn't like to be tortured. A civilian.
Again: How would you feel about Marines leaving a civilian back in the hands of ISIS during a rescue operation, because he "collaborated" (e.g. -> tried to save his own skin from torutre and death). Even if this dude was a con-man in the first place? That's what we're arguing about. Not some nebulous concept of "being a hater" of entertainment.
Und HERE is where your train of thought seriously de-railed:
I don't like THAT part of DIS. And you automatically assume I don't like the entirety of Discovery either? What makes you think that? Because I have at least a basic amount of human decency left? Because I still like to do some critical thinking of my entertainment?
No. Guess what: I enjoy parts of Discovery. Mostly the character work of the main trio: Burnham, Saru, Stamets. Even Tilly, and even Lorca, when he's just a tough military guy and NOT a war criminal. Which - before this episode - was, like, his entire thing.
Naw, I'll keep watching, for the parts that I do like. I might stop at some time IF I don't like the majority of the show anymore, but that point isn't reached. And I will come back here to complain about the parts I don't like. This is a discussion forum after all, not a closed fan-group with "no outsider"-signs at the door.
And if I see gross violations of human rights, I WILL complain about them. Even if it's "only" entertainment.
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So true, its just virtue signalling and its all over the internet these days.
Individuals falling over themselves to exclaim how pure they are and more worthy than those around them.
So true, its just virtue signalling and its all over the internet these days.
Individuals falling over themselves to exclaim how pure they are and more worthy than those around them.
Yeah, this forum reminds me somewhat of the current political culture at times.
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