Star Trek Continues, Episode 4...

[doubleohfive]

Concerning the whole discussion of Dr. Who/Star Trek crossovers, I have a few of these, none done on the Semi-Pro level, though, and some are recuts and mash-ups. (Somehow I have a sense we just did this recently)...

From Fan Film Crossovers (at Star Trek Reviewed) http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/245.html

VII Star Trek/Dr. Who
(A) Trek/Dr Who for Christmas http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/11/Doctor-Who-Meets-Star-Trek-For-Christmas-608175.html

(B) This website offers several Star Trek v. Dr. Who films: http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk/trek.html

(C) Short CGI only: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1qSFl-rbjQ (0:16)

(D) Doctor Who - Trek Through Time https://vimeo.com/71223114 (27:00)

(E) Trailer: Doctor Who Meets Star Trek The Next Generation https://vimeo.com/86788095 (3:01)

The long running series, (I believe there have been over 30 episodes) Star Trek: Unity out of England features a Captain Lewis, (later, Admiral Lewis) who is also a Time Lord. However, Time Lords are identified with Iconians, to further connect them to Star Trek. Here's my page on Star Trek: Unity(England) : http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/90.html

aye, we did - I started a thread on the concept of a Who/Trek crossover a little while back. Didn't honestly expect there to be a chance of it happening. Doct honestly expect it now - I'd be surprised if it wasn't just the STC hype machine. Still... a nerd can dream...

EDIT: Though I'll be brutally honest and say I wish it hadn't been STC.

And, to reiterate, the audio drama Star Trek: The Section 31 Files which Barbreader failed to mention in her list above included as a major arc through its entire run a crossover with the Doctor Who universe, culminating in a major confrontation between both.

I know, since it's audio (the horror!), nobody really cares, but this was all done back in 2004 and 2005, so it pre-dates a lot of the fan films mentioned above. If you can be bothered to do so, it's around 30 episodes, each roughly 15-20 minutes in length, and entirely satisfying to listen to, if a bit uneven in it's writing and characterization.

Doubleohfive, come ON!! you and I both work in the tv business, Colin Baker hasn't been relevant outside of England since the mid-80s. He's a recognizable name to genre fan audiences, but not high profile. Norman Reedus of Walking Dead is high-profile, not Colin Baker

Who is Norman Reedus? I've heard of Walking Dead but have only the vaguest idea that it has something to do with zombies...?

In other words, one person's well-known, high-profile actor may differ from another person's.

I agree with Timewalker. One person's "high profile" can be totally different from another.

I'm not disputing that Normun Reedus isn't more famous or bankable right now. He absolutely is. I knew who he was from The Boondock Saints long before I'd ever seen a single frame of footage of Doctor Who. And, in the parallel universe where he would be in a fan film, I'm sure there are plenty of people who would follow him to Star Trek Continues to see his performance. But there's absolutely zero possibility that he's going to do a fan film.

Colin Baker on the other hand is absolutely the type of actor who would -- he's well-known and well-beloved in fandom and will generate a lot of interest from the Whovian fandom world, bringing them over to watch the newest episode (and, hopefully, past and future ones as well) and he has always struck me as someone who was very good natured about how much fandom loves him.

Doubleohfive, come ON!! you and I both work in the tv business, Colin Baker hasn't been relevant outside of England since the mid-80s. He's a recognizable name to genre fan audiences, but not high profile. Norman Reedus of Walking Dead is high-profile, not Colin Baker

Who is Norman Reedus? I've heard of Walking Dead but have only the vaguest idea that it has something to do with zombies...?

In other words, one person's well-known, high-profile actor may differ from another person's.

Here is the very definition of ''high-profile'':

''a position of attracting much attention or publicity''

and YES, Norman Reedus by vertue of being a lead castmember on Cable's highest-rated show (14 million viewers last week alone), being followed on Facebook by thousands of female fans, AND being in a favorable position to being a BANKABLE movie star, fits the very definition of a high-profile Hollywood actor.

I am in no way denigrating Colin Baker's acting talents. But let's be honest, Reedus has thousands of fans (sure, mostly women at this point) that are ready to plunk down 10 or 20$ to see him in a movie.

Are YOU ready to put money down to see Colin Baker in a film right now?

I don't need to put money down to see Colin Baker in a film. He's going to be in a free fan film that I can watch from the cozy comfort of my living room.

I'm honestly not seeing what the big deal is here. So Baker isn't as famous as Norman Reedus, a cast member on the highest rated cable show on the air. And? Harrison Ford is probably the most famous person to have ever appeared in a science fiction film but he's not appearing in these fan films either. Nobody seems to have a problem with that.

I think it's important to remember that nobody in the fan film world -- none of them, Exeter, Phase II, Intrepid, Axanar, Continues, Renegades, etc -- none of them are doing these projects to launch themselves into the mainstream or to make money. The talented people on these projects do them for the fun of it. Because they love the source material. These are, as has been pointed out to me recently, passion projects. And, likely, because they want people to enjoy the shows they make. On a purely superficial level, this is all just glorified a game of playing dress-up. The good news is that the people making these films are doing their damnedest to make the shows interesting, entertaining, and featuring performers we will recognize and want to see again.

No, Norman Reedus won't be in a fan film. He doesn't need to be. Colin Baker can be though because as I said yesterday, he's a good "get" for the gang at Star Trek Continues. It's no different that Phase II "getting" Walter Koenig or George Takei, or Continues getting Lou Ferrigno or Jamie Bamber.

And, not to put too fine a point on all this, but it just further cements my belief that Starship Exeter's "The Tressaurian Intersection" is still one of the best films out there because it succeeds (and does so marvelously) without all the hullabaloo of stunt casting that plague some of the other productions in the fan film world.

 

[Timewalker]

Doubleohfive, come ON!! you and I both work in the tv business, Colin Baker hasn't been relevant outside of England since the mid-80s. He's a recognizable name to genre fan audiences, but not high profile. Norman Reedus of Walking Dead is high-profile, not Colin Baker

Who is Norman Reedus? I've heard of Walking Dead but have only the vaguest idea that it has something to do with zombies...?

In other words, one person's well-known, high-profile actor may differ from another person's.

Here is the very definition of ''high-profile'':

''a position of attracting much attention or publicity''

and YES, Norman Reedus by vertue of being a lead castmember on Cable's highest-rated show (14 million viewers last week alone), being followed on Facebook by thousands of female fans, AND being in a favorable position to being a BANKABLE movie star, fits the very definition of a high-profile Hollywood actor.

I am in no way denigrating Colin Baker's acting talents. But let's be honest, Reedus has thousands of fans (sure, mostly women at this point) that are ready to plunk down 10 or 20$ to see him in a movie.

Are YOU ready to put money down to see Colin Baker in a film right now?

I don't put money down for any films, unless you count my Netflix subscription, cable subscription (I pay extra for the Space Channel so I can watch Doctor Who), and DVDs I've bought. I haven't been in a movie theatre since 1999.

But since I'm quite familiar with Colin Baker and have never heard of the actor you insist is so "high profile" - yeah, I'd be far more likely to pay money to see Colin Baker. Which I have, actually, since I own most of the Sixth Doctor stories on DVD.

I run a Doctor Who forum that's mostly about Tom Baker, but will be mentioning this Star Trek Continues story there since the folks on that forum like pretty much all the Classic Who actors.

There's nothing wrong with trying to attract people from another area of fandom. I started out with Star Trek in 1975, and got into Doctor Who in 1982. I don't care if this new story is a ST/Who crossover or not. I just like Colin Baker.

 

[Danlav05]

And, to reiterate, the audio drama Star Trek: The Section 31 Files which Barbreader failed to mention in her list above included as a major arc through its entire run a crossover with the Doctor Who universe, culminating in a major confrontation between both.

I know, since it's audio (the horror!), nobody really cares, but this was all done back in 2004 and 2005, so it pre-dates a lot of the fan films mentioned above. If you can be bothered to do so, it's around 30 episodes, each roughly 15-20 minutes in length, and entirely satisfying to listen to, if a bit uneven in it's writing and characterization.

I only heard the four-part Invasion finale (BvD! a fans dream!) and I know that the Doctor appears in 2.07 - Reflections from the Gulf but it's a full series ARC?!

I agree with Timewalker. One person's "high profile" can be totally different from another.

Doctors have had varied levels of 'celebrity' (apologies for the dirty world)

William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee were well-known film stars from the 40s-60s variously. After leaving Troughton and Pertwee had quite successful careers as character actors.

Tom Baker is of course a cult legend but despite regular roles on BBC shows like Medics, Randall & Hopkirk and Monarch of the Glen. At 80 he has retired to mainly voice roles such as the Big Finish Doctor Who audios (on TV in commercials/specials he is still a well-recognised voiceover artist) in recent years.

Peter Davison, Paul McGann and the new series Doctors are possibly the most well-known actors still, Davison & McGann appear in various BBC/ITV dramas on a regular basis; the new series Doctors have had successful careers acting on both sides of the Atlantic. Tennant is possibly the most well-known ex-Doctor now after Tom and Smith is pursuing a US film career.

Colin Baker has mainly been working in touring in theatre and audio since leaving the TARDIS (including the 1989 Doctor Who Ultimate Adventure) but still works occasionally on screen. In 2012 he was a contestant on the popular 'I'm A Celebrity' reality show.

Sylvester McCoy likewise has done bits of theatre and TV since leaving but a few years ago was cast as Radagast the Brown in The Hobbit.

Doctors 4-8 are all regulars for Big Finish who produce new audio adventures for Classic Doctors.

McCoy has actually done a handful of Doctor Who fan films as has Colin. Pertwee did once called 'Devious', his scenes are on the War Games DVD

 

[doubleohfive]

And, to reiterate, the audio drama Star Trek: The Section 31 Files which Barbreader failed to mention in her list above included as a major arc through its entire run a crossover with the Doctor Who universe, culminating in a major confrontation between both.

I know, since it's audio (the horror!), nobody really cares, but this was all done back in 2004 and 2005, so it pre-dates a lot of the fan films mentioned above. If you can be bothered to do so, it's around 30 episodes, each roughly 15-20 minutes in length, and entirely satisfying to listen to, if a bit uneven in it's writing and characterization.

I only heard the four-part Invasion finale (BvD! a fans dream!) and I know that the Doctor appears in 2.07 - Reflections from the Gulf but it's a full series ARC?!

The "Invasion" arc is a much more direct, intertextual crossover miniseries (it's four episodes long) and was written by Eric Busby after he had initially ended the series, due to enormous interest from blind and visually impaired fans who enjoyed the show.

Preceding the "Invasion" miniseries, the previous two seasons have a much more subdued connection to the Who-universe but it's definitely there if you listen to it. I'd explain it further but I enjoyed listening to the audio series so much I'd hate to ruin the surprises by spoiling them here. The previous two seasons also tell a complete, fully-rounded story (in a circuitous way, of course) and its conclusion is quite cleverly executed.

 

[Danlav05]

I'll listen to the whole series oneday but I enjoyed Invasion [of the Daleks] on it's own; the second part's Dalek dialogue is lifted from an episode from the Eccleston season which was slightly weird; and the finale features another Who baddy but I enjoyed it.

 

[doubleohfive]

I'll listen to the whole series oneday but I enjoyed Invasion [of the Daleks] on it's own; the second part's Dalek dialogue is lifted from an episode from the Eccleston season which was slightly weird; and the finale features another Who baddy but I enjoyed it.

Yeah, Eric can be a good writer when he wants to be, but that wrap-up was, for better or worse, very clearly inspired by stuff from the 2006 series.

The preceding two seasons are a much more cohesive, and less derivative tale akin to the long arc format of Babylon 5 more than anything else, and really rewards/pays off in the end if you've listened to it sequentially.

Too, there's an early, early episode in season one featuring a scene with Archer, and the voice actor they scrounged up for the role sounds exactly like Scott Bakula. It's incredible.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

You might actually say Colin Baker was a pioneer in fan films, since he starred in BBV's "The Stranger" series.

 

[doubleohfive]

I think it's also fair to say that the mainstream success of modern Doctor Who in the United States is also a factor here as well. Five or six years ago I think this discussion would have taken a very different turn as Who was still a "British" thing, and hadn't yet really reached the apex of its popularity here.

Today, obviously, Doctor Who is a juggernaut in the States. If you don't believe me, walk in to any Barnes & Noble and scope out the table and section all dedicated to Doctor Who merchandise now available to purchase, from LEGOs, sonic screwdrivers, plush dolls, board games (Monopoly has a Doctor Who edition!) and books and other media. Prior to 2010 I very much doubt this was the case.

So, due to his obvious association with the show, Baker's appearance will be great for Continues itself and great for Whovian interests. In a way, it makes perfect sense.

Either way, the obvious question is really whether or not he'll be playing the Doctor and if this will be a true crossover, or if this is just all a p.r. stunt and he's playing some other role in a regularly scheduled Star Trek show.

We'll find out!

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Doubleohfive, come ON!! you and I both work in the tv business, Colin Baker hasn't been relevant outside of England since the mid-80s. He's a recognizable name to genre fan audiences, but not high profile. Norman Reedus of Walking Dead is high-profile, not Colin Baker

I think Norman Reedus is high-profile to those individuals who are familiar with The Walking Dead. Outside that fandom, he's an unknown...

 

[Zaminhon]

Doubleohfive, come ON!! you and I both work in the tv business, Colin Baker hasn't been relevant outside of England since the mid-80s. He's a recognizable name to genre fan audiences, but not high profile. Norman Reedus of Walking Dead is high-profile, not Colin Baker

I think Norman Reedus is high-profile to those individuals who are familiar with The Walking Dead. Outside that fandom, he's an unknown...

I think Michael Rooker who played his brother Merle, is better known than Reedus outside TWD.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

Doubleohfive, come ON!! you and I both work in the tv business, Colin Baker hasn't been relevant outside of England since the mid-80s. He's a recognizable name to genre fan audiences, but not high profile. Norman Reedus of Walking Dead is high-profile, not Colin Baker

I think Norman Reedus is high-profile to those individuals who are familiar with The Walking Dead. Outside that fandom, he's an unknown...

I think Michael Rooker who played his brother Merle, is better known than Reedus outside TWD.

I would agree with that.

 

[Bixby]

And yet Norman Reedus will more than likely headline his own movie within the next 2 to 3 years, while Michael Rooker, as valuable as he is, will remain a top notch supporting player.

 

[urbandefault]

What does Walking Dead have to do with Star Trek Continues?

 

[Nerys Myk]

What does Walking Dead have to do with Star Trek Continues?

Both involved things thought dead that have been revived?

 

[RCAM]

What does Walking Dead have to do with Star Trek Continues?

Both involved things thought dead that have been revived?

Most of the bridge crew in Star Trek VI would qualify as walkers...

 

[Joel_Kirk]

What does Walking Dead have to do with Star Trek Continues?

Both involved things thought dead that have been revived?

Most of the bridge crew in Star Trek VI would qualify as walkers...

Ouch.

What does Walking Dead have to do with Star Trek Continues?

Both involved things thought dead that have been revived?

There we go....lol

And yet Norman Reedus will more than likely headline his own movie within the next 2 to 3 years, while Michael Rooker, as valuable as he is, will remain a top notch supporting player.

Nah.

Just because he's a popular character on a television show doesn't mean he'll breakout outside that fandom and become a mega-star. It's like saying a popular 'Grey's Anatomy' character is going to headline his or her movie and become a sensation just because a group of fans find him or her amazing.

Years ago, David Caruso (as well as his agents, and possibly fans) thought his television popularity, at the time, was able to translate to the big screen. They were wrong.

TV is a different beast than film. Too, it is a matter of picking the right projects.

In regards to Colin Baker and "Star Trek Continues": Yes, he's not 'high profile' outside the realm of Doctor Who. However, for this fan production, itself not widely known outside the realm of fandom, it's pretty interesting.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Either way, the obvious question is really whether or not he'll be playing the Doctor and if this will be a true crossover, or if this is just all a p.r. stunt and he's playing some other role in a regularly scheduled Star Trek show.

We'll find out!

I'll eat my proverbial hat if it's a crossover, but if it is, then I've been gravely mistaken - nay, deceived - about the ethos of STC.

 

[Warped9]

I'll eat my proverbial hat if it's a crossover, but if it is, then I've been gravely mistaken - nay, deceived - about the ethos of STC.

Same here.

So far I've enjoyed each of the three productions even though if pressed I'd have to say "Lolani" is the episode (I feel) is most in keeping with TOS' approach to stories. While "Pilgrim Of Eternity" was a respectable followup I don't think it's a revisit TOS would have actually done. And "Fairest Of Them All," again while quite enjoyable, was a pure indulgence since it's highly unlikely TOS would have even considered doing something like it.

So while I'm appreciating STC I also feel they're walking a rather fine line that, so far, they haven't crossed yet. And, of course, I'm hoping they don't cross that line.

 

[Zaminhon]

Stay tuned for "Enterprise rescues Castaways", in keeping with the situation.

 

[Zaminhon]

Oh yeah, Kirk rescues Ginger and Mary Ann, but leaves the rest.