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Star Trek: Civvies

Bry_Sinclair

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Would a series based on a civilian ship/crew be able to work? I'm not meaning a Firefly-esque band of petty crooks, but a small ship and crew working hard out on the frontier, without the constraints of Starfleet rules and regulations.

There are a few things that would ultimately be very different: the ship wouldn't be the biggest and/or newest one off the production line, the crew wouldn't be quite so clean-cut and formulaic, they wouldn’t be facing any epic space battles, whilst the focus would be far more on the characters (who they are, where they come from, what makes them tick, how they interact).

Or is it something that when you watch Trek you expect/demand to see Starfleet in all its glory?

I'm not suggesting that I want the next series to be civilians, but just curious what others think.
 
The HMS BOUNTY deal in VOYAGE HOME was how they should've done STAR TREK, all along, as far as I'd be concerned. How that arrangement was with just the main cast, without all the eyecandy extras just walking around and trying to look like they're busy all the time, seemed the better way to go ...
 
I would quite like it :) We see so little about how the average person lives in Star Trek.

Aside from a ship it could also take place on a newly founded colony and focus on the dangers, hardships, joys and romance of frontier life.
 
That's not a bad idea. Call it "Star Trek: Federation" and you lose all the constraints of just Starfleet. You could cover anything you wanted. The variety is pretty much endless.
 
It sounds a little like it would play similar to DS9, though there wouldn't be as much exploration or first contact events. No one would be making decisions that might have repercussions throughout the quadrant, unlike a starship captain.

Though a decision by the community leader might prompt a inquiry by Starfleet if it affects the region.
 
How about having a Federation Commissioner heading things up on the colony and in the sector, they see to carry a lot of clout, even with Starfleet.
 
A Commissioner might be too high level to be actively involved with the characters proposed in your opening post. Maybe it's some self-important bureaucrat like Federation Under-Secretary for Agricultural Affairs Nilz Baris. He'd likely have to be less abrasive than Baris though, if he's a continuing character.
 
Probably a little high for regular run-ins with a motely crew, unless there happened to be some connection between the Commissioner and someone on the ship--sibling, aunt/uncle, ex-spouse--would all depend on just what plots were going to unfold and stories to be told.

With something like this, then it's fairly open to time period as well, as it could fit in pretty much anywhere. Likewise with ship styles, it doesn't necessarily have to be Federation in origin (so no bland hallways of grey walls, floor and ceilings with excessive lights illuminating the dullness). Also a few liberties could be taken with the crew as well, for example we could have a Cardassian on the main cast (with an appropriate backstory, of course).
 
Lol including a Starfleet Commissioner sounds like something the execs would do in Season 3 to make the show "more like Star Trek", along with a Crystal Entity episode.

Te real challenge would be not to have the show turn out like "Terra Nova" (if anybody has seen that show) because that show just sucked.

First I suggest that there'd be elections for the position of governour, no just putting some paramilitary fascist in charge without consulting the populace.

A big plot arc might be the exploration of their planet, learning to live with its cycles and strange organisms. This might lead to the discovery that their actually are primitive, sentient inhabitants running around. The Federation didn't notice them because, for some reason their brainwaves don't register on scanners or they are some highly exotic form of life. There could be conflict and attempts at coexistence, along with a token romance between a human and one of the aliens if they are humanoid enough.

in general owever I think the planet should be almost a character in its own right, if you understand the relationship between the colonists and the planet would be extremely important. How much will they change the planet? How much will the planet change them?

Some ideas for that theme:

1) There are no natives in the beginning, but at one point people just keep disappearing, reports say the missing person just dropped whatever they were doing and walked off into the wilderness. At around the same time the native aliens show up. At first the colonists think the natives were abducting or killing their missed loved ones, but it eventually turns out that something about the planet was actually transforming some of the colonists in other lifeforms, making them go native in a big way (I know its been done, but it would be interesting to explore on a longer basis)
2) I always found Tuvix to be a missed opportunity so I'd propose something like that to happen on a show like this...and sticking. Have to characters hang around for half or most of the first season enough to make them integral to the plot and social network of the show and then have them combined into one entity by a freak accident (Tuvix could even get a token mentioning) unlike Tuvix this fusion sticks around permanently and the colony would have to adjust losing two important members of their small community and to having this new person around.
3) The planet could turn out to e sentient itself to some degree and actually examine the colonists with scientific curiosity, sending things to cause problems for them to see how they react.
 
Would a series based on a civilian ship/crew be able to work?

Right now?

Nope. Not unless you injected the high adventure, space battles, and larger-than-life characters back into the premise. Star Trek has been off of TV for close to 10 years. Stick to the basics to reintroduce viewers to the franchise. It's how TAS did it, it's how TNG did it... and it's worked out pretty well so far.
 
Would a series based on a civilian ship/crew be able to work?

Right now?

Nope. Not unless you injected the high adventure, space battles, and larger-than-life characters back into the premise. Star Trek has been off of TV for close to 10 years. Stick to the basics to reintroduce viewers to the franchise. It's how TAS did it, it's how TNG did it... and it's worked out pretty well so far.

Totally agree.

I'm a hardcore fan of 36 years, and I can't think of ANY Star Trek premise that would interest me less than this proposed one above. Even "Starfleet Academy" would hold my interest better than this.
 
Right now?

Nope. Not unless you injected the high adventure, space battles, and larger-than-life characters back into the premise. Star Trek has been off of TV for close to 10 years. Stick to the basics to reintroduce viewers to the franchise. It's how TAS did it, it's how TNG did it... and it's worked out pretty well so far.

I agree, realistically, it would only work as a spin-off/companion show to a "standard" Trek show, or as a original series completely independent from Trek.

Still it's fun to speculate and toss around ideas ;)
 
Okay, I've been sick like a very sick dog the last few days (damn Northern climate I'm not used to) so I was bored and chose to persue this concept a bit. I came up with a bit of a setting that would (hopefully) work in a theoretical continuation of the Prime Timeline or a theoretical companion show to an Abrams-Verse series.

Setting: In the wake of a long-lasting conflict (either the Dominion War in the prime timeline or the Romulan War in the Abrams-Verse) the Federation has engaged into a new era of expansion, founding several "frontier town" colonies in an area of unexplored space. One of these frontier colonies is Cydonia on the planet of Salmakis. Salmakis is an extremely alien world (I know that's not realistic, but its all a pipe-dream anyhow, so why not go all out?) featuring (in the vicinity of Cydonia) bushland, jungles, wetlands and plains full of unearthly lifeforms that are at the same time beautiful, bewildering and threatening. This can provide some eye-candy with CGI shots of alien critters prancing about and the like. But it also poses dangers as the colonists must learn to adapt to this strange environment. often it seems like thw world is actively fighting against being settled and tamed, leading some colonists to anthropomorphize the planet and claiming it has a sort of intelligence that wants them gone.
Salmakis is also quite remote, a journey to the nearest Federation outpost would take several months and Federation ships would visit the Cydonia only on a very irregular basis (possible crossovers with the traditional Trek show) likewise the nearest frontier towns are at least a week away.

To survive in this environment the colony includes, in addition to its civilian population a small army camp, this could be manned with Starfleet personnel, though I'm more inclined to make it a sort of hired security rather than Starfleet.
The overall population would still be quite small, perhaps about 700 individuals (550 civilians and 150 soldiers) and would be comprised of the major groups that I think would settle at a place like that: Idealists, Opportunists, Explorers,, the Young, and the Disenfranchised, leading to plenty of personal and political conflicts as they form a community to survive the hazards of their new home.

Some character concepts:
These are pretty vague and only what I came up with so far. I don't really have come up with a possible leadership for the colony yet.

"Argon":
Physical Description: A young man in his mid to late twenties. Tall and fairly well built, could be human or a type of humanoid alien. His appearance is always slightly disheveled and he bears a sort of easily noticeable scar from past battles (could be anything from part of his face being disfigured to a cybernetic arm)
Synopsis: A soldier from the ranks of the hired security. A former Starfleet Officer who fought in the past conflict as a ground trooper in one of the worst battlegrounds of the conflict. His mind broken from the things he saw and was forced to do to come out alive from that hell he was unable to re-adapt to peacetime and was discharged from Starfleet. Trying to build a life for himself, but discovering he had forgotten how to do anything but fight and survive he joined the Frontier Security in attempt to use his skills in defense of people, rather than slaughtering them.

"Evena": A female Orionian of about 40 years of age, slightly overweight but always dressed very elegant and with a warm, welcoming way of moving and speaking.
Synopsis: Kind of inspired by the Saloon Madam's of old Wild West media. Evena is a former Orionian Slave Girl who manage to escape and find asylum within the Federation. Having difficulty adapting into Federation culture she chose to settle in Cydonia. Here her cafe (the "Grand Melodie") provides the settlement with a sort of social hub. Despite her elegant appearance Evena is a very sensible, practical woman who takes nobody's nonsense and is able to defend herself should the need arise.

"Lascyena": A half-Orionian girl of about 15-17(other half is up for grabs really). Slender and demure. Is uncomfortable with her Orionian heritage and so tries to hide her natural beauty (covering clothes, hair in her face etc.)
Synopsis: Evena's daughter born during her time as a Slave Girl. She works as waitress at the Grand Melodie, but unlike her more boisterous mother seldom interacts with the guests, or anybody else really. While a very intelligent girl with a natural talent in engineering she shuts the world out because she is scared of the way her Orionian heritage and pheromones might affect the colony and how she is viewed by them.

"Frontier Secuirty Leader": This is one of the two characters (along with "Rogue Trader" below, I'm not sure whether to make male or female, preferably if Rogue Trader is male, then this character is female and vice versa) A ESPer of about 30 years of age, could be Deltan, Betazoid or a newly developed psychic alien species. Both male and female possibilities should be rugged in appearance rather than attractive or sexualized.
Synopsis: The leader of the Frontier Security camp, like "Argon" this character is a veteran of the recent conflict, but unlike "Argon" the Leader views hir actions duirng the war as a source of pride. Was seen as a hero in Federation space and was famous during the war for using his telepathy to "sniff out" hidden enemy troops, infiltrate enemy fortresses and deploy psychological warfare. Yet some think s/he went to far with this and so s/he was snubbed when it came to promotions and chose to head a devision of the Frontier Security forces instead.
In order to break the "moral, disciplined and above-it all" circle of telepaths seen on Star Trek this character is boisterous, egotistical and not above using hir psionic abilities to hir advantage. Yet at the same time s/he will never stand by when anybody is in danger and will prove very valuable to the colony several times. A character that, at the end of the day poses as much a underlying threat to the colony as s/he is a valuable asset.

Rogue Trader: The other character with whom I'm not sure about his/her gender. About 25-30, good looking and could be human, Andorian or a newly created alien species. In contrast to "Frontier Secruity Leader" this character should be fairly attractive.
Synopsis: The inspiration for this character is actually Vash from TNG, a shady dealer of half-legal goods that came to the frontier region to escape Federation justice as well as to be among the first to profit from the trade of any exotic goods or materials this new area of space has to offer. In a departure from the idealized citizens of the Federation this character is fairly selfish, thinking of themselves first rather than of others. In their interactions with others s/he straddles the fine line between charming and slimy, Vash/Han Solo and used car salesman. Lost his family in the conflict and, as a result, hates all forms of military.

"Fernandez": A Hispanic male in his early thirties.
Synopsis: The colony's chief Exobiologist who came to the colony to study the organisms of Salmakis and see how they might be useful to the colonists. A idealistic and bright man who, however, has something of the "weird professor" archetype in him, more comfortable with alien plants and animals than with his fellow humans. Often keeps potentially deadly organisms as "pets", much to the chagrin of his husband, but to the delight of their young child. The first to propose, and later get obsessed with, the idea that the planet is alive and possibly sapient.

The Ronar Family: Either a Cardassian (Prime Timeline) or a Romulan (Abrams-Verse) family consisting of four (a married couple, their young child and the teenaged brother of either the husband or the wife) They are a family of farmers who saw their home destroyed in the recent conflict and their planet falling into the hands of a hostile power. Abandoned by their own government they were granted asylum by the Federation and assigned to the colonization project. They are of course the stand in for the recent immigrant family in an old West Town, facing much the same prejudice as the Federation colonists still see them as enemies. The couple, having seen their life destroyed are willing to bear this social isolation, the younger brother (being young and proud) is not, often trying to force his way in and facing the realistic consequences of such actions.

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That's all I have so far.
 
^ Lose all mention of Abrams-verse and you've got an interesting concept there.

I agree with keeping the local LEO's as civilian and not Starfleet, show that there is a world outside of the fleet, where people can get by on their own--though there could always be a Starfleet liaison/observer/advisor at the colony to provide guidance on logistics and security. I would bump up the number of colonists as well, at least around one thousand.

An interesting element you could include would be to have the Cardassian wife/mother as a medical doctor (by no means not the one in charge but just an ordinary physician/surgeon), so she has to deal with prejudice and mistrust of the other colonists who come looking for some medical aid but don't want to be treated by a former enemy.

For the Security Leader, they don't necessarily have to be a former Starfleeter as well. They could've been a civilian LEO on one of the planets along the Cardassian border that the Dominion occupied and then led a successful uprising and resistance. He/She may not be Starfleet but their actions are held in high regard by everyone. Just a thought, so that there aren't two security-based characters with too many things in common.
 
^ Thanks! I'm back to working now so I have less time scribbling around on this , though it's probably what I'm gonna do on New Years once everybody around me is drunk (the joy of being a teetotaler)

Your suggestions are noted. I originally planned for the Chief of Security to be a former resistance fighter from Betazed (so being unconnected to Starfleet) but I'm not sure if I'd rather have a Deltan than a Betazoid, they look a bit more striking with their hairless heads than Betazoids, yet with making them a Betazoid we can have flashbacks to the occupation/liberation of Betazed...

I think it would be an excellent idea to make the Cardassian wife the chief physician, making her a skilled doctor would make the opportunity granted to her family more realistic and create a sort of "Dr.Quinn, Medicine Woman" situation where she could prove her worth in situations of crisis and slowly overcome the prejudice her family faces in the colony. it would also grant the Cardassians more presence in the series.
Also started jotting down some ideas for the Federation Liason and she's the only character so far to have a full name: Commander Madelyn Lloyd, she would likely be our introduction to the colony, the pilot showing her arrival in Cydonia. I also think she knew "Argon" from before the war, they might have been at the academy together and would be shocked at what he has become.

If time allows I might try to turn this into a series of fanfics. Never really written science fiction before, would be a change of pace...
 
Don't mention it, your ideas are definitely very interesting (was hoping you'd mention writing a fanfic about them :bolian:).

I think a Deltan would be an interesting route to take, since the species itself is still something of a blank slate. Even as a Deltan, he/she could've been on Betazed for the occupations, originally there working security, on holiday, or at a conference, when the Dominion invaded--which could be easily explained in a plausible way. Plus seeing how striking Persis Khambatta was bald, the role would be interesting to see as a female character (otherwise some might confuse a male Deltan as someone like Sisko, who chooses to shave his head).

My thinking process did touch on DQMW and thought that it is an angle Trek could easily accomplish despite the "evolved sensibilities" of the Federation--even the most open and loving person would have trouble being treated by the enemy, especially one with the reputation of the Cardassians. If you wanted to up the ante, you could give her a connection to Doctor Crell Moset--his sister, or a former colleague or student of his--so that she has an even greater hurdle to get over.

Commander Lloyd would be the best audience POV to use for the pilot especially, let us into this new world through something familiar. For some reason, I can see a love/hate relationship sparking between her and 'Argon' (not necessarily sexual tension though) but more a clash of ideals, of duty, honour and responsibility.

A thought occurred to me yesterday. With Cydonia and her sister colonies being so remote and isolated, with little support or backup from Starfleet, wouldn't the frontier security have its own small fleet to police the systems the colonies inhabit and the new space-lanes between them. A small collection of Ju'day-Class ships (the type Chakotay commanded), retrofitted with weapons like the Maquis once did. The captain of one of these ships could be a recurring character to include.

Just some thoughts.
 
Would a series based on a civilian ship/crew be able to work? I'm not meaning a Firefly-esque band of petty crooks, but a small ship and crew working hard out on the frontier, without the constraints of Starfleet rules and regulations.

There are a few things that would ultimately be very different: the ship wouldn't be the biggest and/or newest one off the production line, the crew wouldn't be quite so clean-cut and formulaic, they wouldn’t be facing any epic space battles, whilst the focus would be far more on the characters (who they are, where they come from, what makes them tick, how they interact).

Or is it something that when you watch Trek you expect/demand to see Starfleet in all its glory?

I'm not suggesting that I want the next series to be civilians, but just curious what others think.

This fan production is the embodiment of what you mentioned above:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mHyGlqsjsQ[/yt]
 
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