Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[Rahul]

Can we please stop to posting "trailer view counts" from Youtube here?

There's literally nothing to learn from that information except "More people around the world have Internet now than a few years before".

The only fair comparison would be to other current trailers from the same year (but trailers, not teasers), and even that is flimsy at best, since it mostly represents how many people are rewatching those trailers (Batman v. Superman had way more views than CA:Civil War, Ghostbusters has way more views than Trek...) AKA what reddit currently obsesses about. No information about how many real people saw the trailer - in Cinemas for example. Not just dorks on the internet. And I really don't care for that type of circlejerk.

Nope.

It's a valid point of discussion and shows continued interest leading up to the movie.

Thank god you read my arguments and gave an intelligent counter-point

I have nothing against "view counts" with a bit of information/argument around them (how many views compared to other movies?/how many more in the last few days?).

But regularly dumping this thread with meaningless numbers ist just annoying.

 

[Kemaiku]

Thank god you read my arguments and gave an intelligent counter-point.

You're very welcome, let me know if there's anything else you need help with in the thread.

 

[JWPlatt]

The Nemesis Effect, and Justin Lin action-for-its-own-sake paranoia.

And there is nothing of the motorcycle scene that indicates it will be like that. It's painting Lin in to a corner that it must be a F&F omage to assume that fact. Actually, the motorbike makes more sense given the fact that we have seen Kirk drive a bike before. Picard had never shown an interest in driving and TNG Trek had never had any wheeled vehicles of any kind that I can recall.

It all feels like very surface level arguments.

If you read my original post again about The Nemesis Effect and paranoia about the action reputation of director Justin Lin, you'll see I have no argument with you; it was simply an objective evaluation of the concern - characterized as paranoia. Let the action be organic instead of artificially inserted for its own sake. Since we have not yet seen Star Trek Beyond, we cannot make a judgement. But there will be speculative paranoia involved until then. Because Nemesis, Lin.

('Omage' is not in the scrabble dictionary, nor others, btw, that I can find. It's 'homage.' But fancy people say "omage" for some reason).

 

[JWPlatt]

-nu-Kirk grows up with an antique car and enjoys riding a motorcyle and it's considered weird, and not only that, but insulting to the audience.

What am I missing?

If there is an insult, I would think it comes from the impression that Paramount is pandering to a demographic of lesser intellect. I don't think it's about the motorcycle, really.

 

[Franklin]

If there is an insult, I would think it comes from the impression that Paramount is pandering to a demographic of lesser intellect. I don't think it's about the motorcycle, really.

Oooh. Come on out to a biker bar in Loudoun County, VA on a weekend and say that. There's a rather big biker culture here in NVA, and it includes everyone from school principals to engineers to real estate agents (men and women). I even have two neighbors with bikes they take out on weekends. I don't think they'll be put off by Kirk on a bike. As far as the 20-something X-Games biker types go, I doubt too many of them are of "lesser intellect," either.

 

[JWPlatt]

Oooh. Come on out to a biker bar in Loudoun County, VA on a weekend and say that.

What would happen - exactly?

Besides, it's doesn't matter what my perception is. The reaction would be about Paramount's perception of the demographic, no matter the reality of the point you make. If you found insult there, it validates the insult elsewhere.

 

[Franklin]

What would happen - exactly?

No big deal. All good people. May even buy you a drink and a burger. Just hang around with them for a while and you may realize someone saying, "Look, Kirk on a motorcycle, that's exciting," is as likely to come from a PhD biker as someone with a "lesser intellect." That's all.

 

[TrickyDickie]

'Bikers' have been stereotyped by movies, the news media, etc, for quite some time. Yes, there is a certain percentage that is of an extreme mentality, but that's true of society in general so it's unfair to single out a group as a whole and see it as inherently negative. A lot of mellow, cool, and even charitable people are 'bikers'.

 

[JWPlatt]

As I've said, I don't think it's about the motorcycle.

 

[Kor]

Yeah, Steve McQueen riding a motorcycle in one of the most memorable scenes in movie history in The Great Escape was so lowbrow.

Motorcycles have been standard military equipment for a long time, and it makes perfect sense to have wheeled vehicles (including one-person vehicles such as motorcycles) available for planetary missions.

Michael Giacchino has started scoring Star Trek Beyond http://www.treknews.net/2016/05/24/composer-michael-giacchino-begins-scoring-star-trek-beyond/

Hopefully two months is enough time...

Here's a close-up of the image used for Sulu's daughter:

Is she named Demora in this universe?

Kor

 

[TrickyDickie]

Is she named Demora in this universe?

Kor

Haven't encountered anyone 'in-the-know' to be able to answer that question yet.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Yeah, Steve McQueen riding a motorcycle in one of the most memorable scenes in movie history in The Great Escape was so lowbrow.

Motorcycles have been standard military equipment for a long time, and it makes perfect sense to have wheeled vehicles (including one-person vehicles such as motorcycles) available for planetary missions.



Hopefully two months is enough time...



Is she named Demora in this universe?

Kor

It's NOT an alt universe. Same universe as prime just timeline altered once Narrada muddied the water m mixed things up

Just like back to the future 2 n old Biff giving young Biff the sports almanac

 

[Kor]

It's NOT an alt universe. Same universe as prime just timeline altered once Narrada muddied the water m mixed things up

Just like back to the future 2 n old Biff giving young Biff the sports almanac

Semantics.

In the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, there's nothing wrong with using the word "universe" to describe different realities.

Kor

 

[JWPlatt]

Yeah, Steve McQueen riding a motorcycle in one of the most memorable scenes in movie history in The Great Escape was so lowbrow.

Kor, I've seen The Great Escape innumerable times. I know The Great Escape. The Great Escape is a favorite of mine. Kor, equating the motorcycle jump in the Star Trek Beyond trailer to Steve McQueen's work in The Great Escape is like Dan Quayle equating himself to John F. Kennedy. It is no Great Escape.

 

[TrickyDickie]

Motorcycles have been standard military equipment for a long time, and it makes perfect sense to have wheeled vehicles (including one-person vehicles such as motorcycles) available for planetary missions.
Kor

That's a very good point. In World War II, my father rode one similar to this for a brief period of time while acting as a message courier:

 

[JWPlatt]

It's NOT an alt universe.

Yes it is. As Kor said, Star Trek is using the Many-worlds Interpretation.

Back to the Future did NOT use this model. In the Many-worlds Interpretation, each universe is entire separate at the branch. They have no propagational interaction through the timeline like there was in Back to the Future. Each new change results in an entirely new universe and there are no slowly fading pictures of Marty McFly.

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Semantics.

In the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, there's nothing wrong with using the word "universe" to describe different realities.

Kor

Gotcha - just how I look at it like Voyager year of hell

Can't wait until the Vulcans discover the flux capacitor and build a DeLorean and go back and reset the timeline lol. :-)

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Yes it is. A Kor said, Star Trek is using the Many Worlds Interpretation.

Back to the Future did NOT use this model. In the Many Worlds Interpretation, each universe is entire separate at the branch. They have no interaction like there was in Back to the Future. Each new change results in an entirely new universe and there are no slowly fading pictures of Marty McFly.

I view it as an alt timeline skewed vs a parallel new universe

Either way I like it and want a 4th movie

 

[JWPlatt]

Damn, you didn't wait the required five minutes for me to fix my typos.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Me too. But holy crap, that is one airbrushed Urban!

He's doing that Gary Mitchell thing again!