Nope. Kirk dislikes them for their tactics and savagery, he says nothing about them racially. STVI was shoe horned with racism that even the actors rebelled against. It works for the story sure, but I never found it believable.
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^Its not that long ago that real life attitudes expressed in STUC were part of the norm in some countries, including the USA. (It is why Brock Peters and Nichelle Nicols felt the way the did, it was too close to home). In fact, one can argue they are back with a vengeance. This aspect of the story is completely believeable, some of us lived it.
It is common to take genuine enemies with differences and turn them into inhuman monsters. The TOS Kirk was just beyond this...the TUC Kirk was not. It was manufactured by Meyer to tell a point. Fine, but don't tell me dehumanizing the enemy was part of the Enterprise before this.
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TOS Kirk didn't have his son brutally murdered for no reason at all. TUC Kirk did.Does the phrase "Klingon bastard, you've killed my son" ring any bells? Hint: It wasn't Meyer's Kirk who said it.
So perhaps ST4 and ST5 are at fault because they don't logically follow Kirk's character arc from ST3?
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There was no reason to bring it up in 4. 5 also had minimal material that would affect Kirk and the Klingons. Besides, people can hide their feelings and opinions when needed. There's also nothing in those movies that would contradict the place that we see Kirk in 6.
ST5 is at fault for so many things
Yes. 4 didn't really have anything to do with the Klingons so no opportunity for it to come up. ST 5 had a brief run in with the Klingons were Kirk calls them "bastards" and the captain apologies to him. Other than making social niceties at the party afterwards, what opportunity is there for him to rant at them?
It's not like Kirk has to be seething at Klingons for his arc to make sense. It could be simply be beneath the surface, a hatred that he doesn't quite acknowledge, but pops to the surface every once in a while. Until he faces a dynamic shift of Klingons are not our enemies but are potentially our friends. And he is forced to that position by Spock. That's uncomfortable and can be upsetting.
It's not like all parts of character arcs have to be constant front and center in the narrative, but they can percolate along until they come up full force. And, with 30 years of facing Klingons as enemies, as well the death of David, I would say there is some unresolved personal pain that Kirk needs to deal with.
I didn't remember that one. So twice Kirk calls Klingons bastards in ST3 and ST5. (And yet somehow "ST6 was shoe horned with racism"!)
If that's the case then there is a nice logical progression in Kirk's feelings and arc from ST3 to ST5 to ST6.
Unfortunately that didn't turn into a flood of awards for Star Trek Beyond. STB was nominated for Best Hair & Makeup and Best Sci-Fi/Horror Movie in the Critics' Choice Awards 2017. Beyond lost in both categories to Jackie and Arrival respectively.
Critics' Choice Awards 2017: Complete List of Nominees and Winners
He was on trial in 4, possibly on condition of him being shipped to Kronos for further "trial" if the Federation had found him guilty. He was > < close to starting another war with the Empire with the death of Kruge and the theft of a Bird of Prey still belonging to them. He took it all with a remarkable calm, not yelling at the Klingon deligate, calling him a liar etc
5, he was taken aboard a Klingon ship that fired on the Enterprise for sport, 6Kirk would have been foaming at the mouth, 4/5Kirk took it in stride again, no animosity right after his son is killed by them?
Yet in 6 he can't stop himself making remarks advocating genocide by deliberate negligence? that's one hell of a step up from 'no hard feelings'.
It's right before the BoP destroys the alien
It's matter of the change being forced on to him.
Beyond a contender for makeup Oscar
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Beyond continues hot sales on the videoscan Neilson bluray charts. Uhd, 3d, overall sales reported:
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I'm more interested in overall nominations which is what I posted, not wins.
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He can be angry for them killing his son but there was no sign it turned to racial hatred, note STIV, STV.
Again you are incorrect.
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Again you are incorrect.
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Does the phrase "Klingon bastard, you've killed my son" ring any bells? Hint: It wasn't Meyer's Kirk who said it.
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There's a few years and a lot of life experience for Kirk that we never got to see between these movies. I think it's entirely plausible that he got more embittered between the Nimbus III incident and the explosion of Praxis.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I can't find actual dollar numbers for sales? Is there a way to know how much it's made on Blu Ray thus far?
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