Great intellectual rigor.I already know all I need to.
I commend you.
Great intellectual rigor.I already know all I need to.
Wow, looks like this one might actually happen. I expected it to vanish now the sale to Skydance is happening.
This is pretty great.
This is pretty great.
If, and this is a pretty big "if," if Skydance wants to reboot Star Trek, then this is obviously the way to do it. And I'm here for it. Reboot it. Start over and make it better.
It seems like kind of the way to go too. A direct sequel and continuation of the Star Trek (2009) movies is fine, but a reboot feels like a better option at this point, in my opinion. And possibly making a movie on Star Trek: Discovery or Strange New Worlds is fine too, I suppose, but you can just put something like that on Paramount+. It would feel rather odd to me to put something like that in the theater.
Anyway, we'll see what they do. I say use this as an opportunity to reboot everything and build from the ground up, and tie the TV with the movies. And create a third timeline if that serves whatever story they want to tell best.
To be fair, that origin of the Kelvin timeline is just the crew speculating. It works much better if it was just a parallel universe all along, and the red matter black hole took Nero to a different universe as well as back in time.I'm still confused about the 'reboot' nature of this idea. Based only on what has been presented to me, it seems that this is supposed to be a film taking place in the Kelvin Timeline. But how can that be? That timeline was created in 2233 when Nero went back in time. So any 'origin story' taking place 'decades' before the 2009 film would invariably also take place in the prime timeline. Which would conflict with ST:FC and ENT.
To be fair, that origin of the Kelvin timeline is just the crew speculating. It works much better if it was just a parallel universe all along, and the red matter black hole took Nero to a different universe as well as back in time.
But let’s just wait and see. We don’t really know anything yet.
I would assume an origin movie would be about how Starfleet came to be (and how first contact and whatever else transpired) in the Kelvin timeline. We're introduced to the Kelvin timeline in 2233, but what happened before 2233 in the Kelvin timeline? How did they get to that point? That I assume would be the origin movie.I'm still confused about the 'reboot' nature of this idea. Based only on what has been presented to me, it seems that this is supposed to be a film taking place in the Kelvin Timeline. But how can that be? That timeline was created in 2233 when Nero went back in time. So any 'origin story' taking place 'decades' before the 2009 film would invariably also take place in the prime timeline. Which would conflict with ST:FC and ENT.
If it's "likely around modern times," then that's a couple of centuries not decades.The project is said to be set decades before the events of the 2009 movie that was directed J.J. Abrams, likely around modern times. It is said to involve the creation of the Starfleet and humankind’s first contact with alien life.
I would assume an origin movie would be about how Starfleet came to be (and how first contact and whatever else transpired) in the Kelvin timeline. We're introduced to the Kelvin timeline in 2233, but what happened before 2233 in the Kelvin timeline? How did they get to that point? That I assume would be the origin movie.
The "decades before" description does seem to be a little off to me. The Hollywood Reporter said...
If it's "likely around modern times," then that's a couple of centuries not decades.
So I would guess this movie would take place in the late-21st century or sometime in the 22nd century in the Kelvin timeline. And it would do the "creation of the Starfleet and humankind’s first contact with alien life" and so on and so forth.
Also, the Kelvin timeline because the new boss of New Paramount (which I guess is what they're calling it) is David Ellison. And his Skydance of course co-produced Into Darkness and Beyond. (Into Darkness, the highest grossing Star Trek movie ever, and Beyond, the movie that came after it... )
No, but I assume he's comfortable in the Kelvin timeline sandbox. And now that he owns the company he may want to continue playing in that sandbox.
You of course could just as easily do an origin movie/story for the main timeline, but like you said, they've kind of done that a little already.
They could easily fudge it so it was created by Narada but has it's own past as well as future.But as I mentioned before, the timeline before Nero's incursion in 2233 was the original prime timeline. Therefore anything that happened prior to 2233 in the Kelvin timeline also happened in the prime timeline in the exact same way. Therefore...
Not really: if you change the future you also change the time travel events in it, which don’t happen or happen differently, thus also changing the past!But as I mentioned before, the timeline before Nero's incursion in 2233 was the original prime timeline. Therefore anything that happened prior to 2233 in the Kelvin timeline also happened in the prime timeline in the exact same way. Therefore...
I forgot about those tbh! Good points.Then how do you explain Kovich knowing about how the KT came to be? Or…
Wesley Crusher in Prodigy stating the ‘Narada incursion,’ which was implying that the KT was created because of Nero?
They could easily fudge it so it was created by Narada but has it's own past as well as future.
Not really: if you change the future you also change the time travel events in it, which don’t happen or happen differently, thus also changing the past!
Yeah, I don't think there's going to be any rules to this.But as I mentioned before, the timeline before Nero's incursion in 2233 was the original prime timeline. Therefore anything that happened prior to 2233 in the Kelvin timeline also happened in the prime timeline in the exact same way.
To be perfectly honest, yes, I would assume this would be a total reboot of Star Trek.Therefore...
We have two conflicting sources here. One says 'decades before (the events of the 2009 film),' and the other says 'likely around modern times,' which I'm taking to mean the 2020's. Which would not be 'decades' before the 2009 film, or even remotely close to first contact and the formation of Starfleet (between 2063 and the 2100's.)
Again, the events of ST:FC in 2063 would be exactly the same in the KT as in the prime timeline, as would the events of ENT, which already showed Starfleet in existence and the years leading up to the formation of the Federation.
Again, whether he's 'comfortable in the Kelvin timeline sandbox' doesn't really matter. If it's an origin story of the birth of the Federation, then it would be the same no matter if it took place in the KT or the prime timeline. Unless the story is planning on deviating from what we've seen before, in which case it would be a reboot, not a KT origin story.
Actually, there are several unused ST4 scripts. Take a page from the development of TWOK and take the best of each script and make a movie out of them. Maybe even a two-part movie.There's a reason we haven't had a movie in almost 10 years. What are you going to do it on? And whatever you come up with, couldn't you just do a 2 or 3-part television episode? Does it have to be a movie that you put in the theater?
An origin movie set in the Kelvin timeline obviously gives you free rein to do whatever you want. It's an alternate reality. And there's no rule that states that it's an exact copy of the prime timeline
They could easily fudge it so it was created by Narada but has it's own past as well as future.