Is it bad that I can actually picture this in my head and Marcus actually says that line?
Mind you if we did have this then Khan never gets to exact revenge and crush his skull like he did.
Star Trek 4 Hits A Snag
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Is it bad that I can actually picture this in my head and Marcus actually says that line?
Mind you if we did have this then Khan never gets to exact revenge and crush his skull like he did.
Marcus doesn’t seem inventive.
He's really not trying. The Enterprise is Constitution-class, as per multiple graphics throughout the movies. And the Franklin is Freedom-class, as per Edison's biography graphic.
Non-canon sources give "Einstein-class" for the Kelvin.
So apparently Karl Urban thinks it will go forward eventually. I think the key point below is 'if paramount is willing' or not idiots. Take your pick.
https://trekmovie.com/2018/08/31/ka...ions-will-be-resolved-production-set-for-u-k/
https://trekmovie.com/2018/08/31/ka...ions-will-be-resolved-production-set-for-u-k/
"It’s an interesting one. The last film did pretty well. I think it made about 320 or 350 or 380 globally [Editor’s note: actual Star Trek Beyond global box office: $343 million] But still, for a movie that cost what it cost to make, the profit margins aren’t that great and so particularly Chris Hemsworth and Chris Pine subsequently have done big movies, and their quotes have gone up and so I am pretty confident though that Paramount and those guys, they will figure it out. Because I know Chris. We were all in touch recently and everybody wants to do it and make it happen. So, if Paramount is willing there will be a way to make it happen."
Here's the new universe, just like the old universe
And taking holopics with their subspace communicator
It's the Kelvin films. I didn't expect him to really try. But, there is some fan information out there.
It really is starting to seem that way. They can't possibly be this inept.
Yeah hence my they're either willing or idiots. I think they like being the latter.
If it were any other studio, I would trust the powers that be to work things out... but Paramount does not inspire confidence.
Rising actor salaries become an issue in long-running franchise films. MARVEL makes it look like an easy thing to have their actors constantly returning - but that's just because they make all the money in the world - and thus can lure their actors in with truckloads of money to come back for multiple movies.
For all other franchises, that's an issue. Hell, the TOS movies had the problem that in their last two movies (V and VI) the actors salaries ate up a significant amount of the overall budget, and they had to be cheap about everything else (sets, props, vfx). And Shatner and Nimoy really weren't that big movie stars outside the Trek circle.
For Pine and Hemsworth the situation is different. They're on their top now. It might actually be that Paramount simply can't pay them at the moment. Even though they promised. I guess the issue is that Paramount doesn't want them to pay percentages of box office return. But there's probably no way around it, if they aren't willing (or capable) to pay the negotiated amount up front.
For all other franchises, that's an issue. Hell, the TOS movies had the problem that in their last two movies (V and VI) the actors salaries ate up a significant amount of the overall budget, and they had to be cheap about everything else (sets, props, vfx). And Shatner and Nimoy really weren't that big movie stars outside the Trek circle.
For Pine and Hemsworth the situation is different. They're on their top now. It might actually be that Paramount simply can't pay them at the moment. Even though they promised. I guess the issue is that Paramount doesn't want them to pay percentages of box office return. But there's probably no way around it, if they aren't willing (or capable) to pay the negotiated amount up front.
To be honest Paramount CAN pay them the money, but doesn't WANT to because movies are funded by investment, and investors don't pony up funds if they can't guarantee an attractive rate of return.
So... its a terrible cycle
Paramount makes a film to attract a larger audience, because honestly the Star Trek fandom can't on its own guarantee a major commercial success...they miss attracting a larger audience, double down with big name actors, miss again, add some more big name actors (and through no fault of their own some of their cast BECOME big name actors), miss AGAIN and now they have to use the big name actors to attract both a (hopefully) larger audience AND the dedicated fan base that may or may not be pissed off at them anyway. Yay!
So... its a terrible cycle
Paramount makes a film to attract a larger audience, because honestly the Star Trek fandom can't on its own guarantee a major commercial success...they miss attracting a larger audience, double down with big name actors, miss again, add some more big name actors (and through no fault of their own some of their cast BECOME big name actors), miss AGAIN and now they have to use the big name actors to attract both a (hopefully) larger audience AND the dedicated fan base that may or may not be pissed off at them anyway. Yay!
I guess there might also be a little hick-up, in that Paramount can't pay Pine and Hemsworth both at the same time. Yet they decided to do a 4th Trek movie solely because of the script, which heavily relies on both. And they can't simply re-write it. They would have to completelyy start over from scratch. Which they didn't because the success of Kelvin-Trek at this point is iffy, and they did only moved forward at all because they thought they could make it work again with this script.
I still absolutely think this thing will be resolved and a ST4 will eventually be made. Because none of the parties have an interest in this movie not getting made. But it seems the situation is more complicated than it seems.
I still absolutely think this thing will be resolved and a ST4 will eventually be made. Because none of the parties have an interest in this movie not getting made. But it seems the situation is more complicated than it seems.
It really shouldn't be. You pay Pine and recast George Kirk, who was only in the first ten minutes of the first movie. I don't think Hemsworth is going to be the draw Paramount thinks he is. Because he isn't bringing the Marvel universe with him.
Or dump the script and do something different. Given its history, I can't imagine it's all that great, anyhoo.
I too think the solution is keeping Pine and give the other Chris up. However, I believe they wanted to bring his dad back ONLY because of the actor so if he isn't available, it seems like it becomes pointless to recast. Maybe they could give the role he has in the story to..Pike?
Same here. However, writing another script takes time which means they won't start production in early 2019.
Though, I hope they had so much time anyway, before and after beyond, to write some stories that maybe the one we are referring to isn't the only one they have, or not the only variable.
All they've said is that they won't recast the part.
They save money by not replacing Chekov, or they save money by replacing him with an extra.
Youtube i watched said theat the current investors are on bord becuase paramount sold them a Pine/Hemsworth feature, so once one or both of them fall out, the investors will be unhappy and may pull their money out, or chose not to trust these particular producers in the future if the money is locked.
Get one of Chris Hemsworth's younger brothers to play George, since Chris looks way too old to play himself now, from ten years ago.
Youtube i watched said theat the current investors are on bord becuase paramount sold them a Pine/Hemsworth feature, so once one or both of them fall out, the investors will be unhappy and may pull their money out, or chose not to trust these particular producers in the future if the money is locked.
Get one of Chris Hemsworth's younger brothers to play George, since Chris looks way too old to play himself now, from ten years ago.
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