He was basically Chang in a Starfleet uniform
Star Trek 4 Hits A Snag
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He was basically Chang in a Starfleet uniform
Not enough Shakespeare quotes!
It would have been unwise with an actor so carved into being a British Stereotype for his career. There would have been much chewing of scenery.
Which reminds me, I must check if there’s a new episode of Upstart Crow.
The problem is: It's not just any scene. It's the emotional climax of the movie.
It's as if at the end of Beyond, Kirk and Krall suddenly had energy sabers, Krall cuts of Kirks hand, and tells him "No, I'M your father, Kirk!". Or if a random Rihanna song suddenly has "We all live in a yellow submarine" in it's refrain.
Sure, it's only one scene that you could easily miss if you went on the toilet during a crucial moment. But it's still kinda' more representative of the work in it's entirety than it's mere percentage of the runtime would suggest.
When you are trying to cover up and destroy evidence, yes it does.
But it's an emotional climax in its own right. It builds off of the themes of the film and preceding film in a far more cogent way than is appreciated. If taken on the merits of ST ID by itself the scene functions just fine as an emotional climax.
The problem being: that the emotional climax of TWOK was cut off at its knees as soon as they added the "Spock's coffin on Genesis" scene with Kirk's "life from lifelessness" log.
I just don't see it as the iconic scene some folks do, and enjoyed getting a tweaked version in Into Darkness.
Honestly, if we never see another Kelvin-verse offering I'll.... be okay with that. 
Honestly, if we never see another Kelvin-verse offering I'll.... be okay with that.
Not me, though. They haven’t revealed the class names of the ‘09 Fed ships yet. Something novels, games and comics could take care of if given the chance.
Or General Curtis LeMay, if you want to compare to
(Peter) WELLER: [ ... ] But what Marcus wants… Marcus is no different than Curtis LeMay, with a conscience. I don’t know if people remember who Curtis LeMay, but he hid 18 nuclear missiles from President John F. Kennedy. He was the guy who wanted to pull the trigger on the Cuban Missile Crisis. If you see Fog of War, it was all about “First strike! First strike!” That’s a warmonger. So these warmongers exist, man, and LeMay personifies that. They were real. They ARE real. The thing that Marcus doesn’t have is faith in the pacifistic attitude of this particular terrestrial organization because the Klingons are aggressive. A war is coming. They’re encroaching. And what Marcus is thinking is he wants to get a jump on them, just like Curtis LeMay. Anybody who is critical of this, just watch the Errol Morris documentary Fog of War. It’s from 2003, and listen to (Robert McNamara) talk about LeMay.
Again, LeMay felt first strike was the way to get the upper hand, and that’s what Marcus feels. Here are the facts as Marcus sees them: “The Klingons are coming. They’re aggressive. I don’t believe in the pacifistic whoo-ha, touchy-feely, go-out-five-years-and-explore-brave-new-worlds… horsesh-t. There’s a war coming on.” So what I do is I take out the plutonium nukes, if you will, called Khan. I take them out. And I made a mistake. I even say it. So I don’t know what people are missing. He’s a guy who did it, by his own conscience, to protect his own particular world and then realizes that he f—ked up. Now, the thing that makes him bad, from a moralistic view, is that he’s willing to sacrifice Kirk and the Enterprise to put this thing back in its shell. And he feels that’s a calculated risk. “I was never going to spare your crew.”
http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-interview-stid-co-star-peter-weller-part-2
Again, LeMay felt first strike was the way to get the upper hand, and that’s what Marcus feels. Here are the facts as Marcus sees them: “The Klingons are coming. They’re aggressive. I don’t believe in the pacifistic whoo-ha, touchy-feely, go-out-five-years-and-explore-brave-new-worlds… horsesh-t. There’s a war coming on.” So what I do is I take out the plutonium nukes, if you will, called Khan. I take them out. And I made a mistake. I even say it. So I don’t know what people are missing. He’s a guy who did it, by his own conscience, to protect his own particular world and then realizes that he f—ked up. Now, the thing that makes him bad, from a moralistic view, is that he’s willing to sacrifice Kirk and the Enterprise to put this thing back in its shell. And he feels that’s a calculated risk. “I was never going to spare your crew.”
http://www.startrek.com/article/exclusive-interview-stid-co-star-peter-weller-part-2
Not when you’re above Earth. Someone is bound to be looking.
And right next to the moon where people are residing. Again, the Admiral is simply off his rocker.
Marcus: “I had to kill hundreds of people because Kirk was harboring a fugitive!”
Commission: “Uh, the ship was hopelessly crippled when you destroyed it. We literally saw this from Earth AND the moon.”
Marcus: “uh, 9/11 was a inside job!”
It is incredible what you can pull off, if you're inventive. How many Nazi's ended up getting away after World War II, even though people knew they had committed atrocities?
Honestly, if we never see another Kelvin-verse offering I'll.... be okay with that.
Me too... including further viewing of any of the three that were made. My time can easily be better spent.
Like posting on the interwebz about how much you don't like them?
This bugs me to no end. I loved the brief shots of the kelvinverse fleet and desperately want more in depth info on their development and whatnot. The Nimitz class Europa reminds me so much of the newton type from 09.
Hopefully we’ll get a little more light on them when Eaglemoss releases them as models, or any novels or STO new missions set in Kelvin.
Well, no, actually I meant learning the Schubert posthumous piano sonata in B-flat. I've pretty much got the whole first and third movements memorized. And there will be no further posts from me about the three extant Kelvinverse movies.
A rogue captain aiding and abetting known terrorist after crossing in to Klingon space? Yeah, it ain't that hard.
There are some, according to EAS
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A worthy endeavor.
Schubert is always nice.Similar threads
