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Star Trek 4 Hits A Snag

That, or they might as well stick a 'Going Out of Business' sign up on the top of that mountain. I can't imagine Tom Cruise has too many more Mission Impossible's in him, or that Michael Bay's deal with the devil extends to propping up failing movie studios.
 
Both sides need a reason to renegotiate. Pine has no reason to. He has steady work.
You don't know how much the other projects available to him pay compared to what Paramount is offering him.

But he can certainly walk away. Nothing wrong with that.
 
That, or they might as well stick a 'Going Out of Business' sign up on the top of that mountain. I can't imagine Tom Cruise has too many more Mission Impossible's in him, or that Michael Bay's deal with the devil extends to propping up failing movie studios.
They certainly don't seem to have much going for them. But outside of Disney what movie studio really does?
 
Actors being employees of studios isn't even a thing anymore. That's Old Hollywood, when studios owned actors like teams owned athletes. I can imagine how frustrating that was for actors in the old days to be stuck with one studio.
 
He has a contract and a deal in place which Paramount isn't honoring. He's not asking for more money, he's asking for the deal that both sides agreed to before Beyond was released.

It's Paramount that's reneging on the deal.
 
I still wonder about the rest of the cast. Did they have deals in place too? Is paramount honoring their deals but not Pine's because he's more expensive?
aside from Pine, only Zachary was said to have already signed for a fourth movie. I guess his new contract was lower than Pine's anyway but still, it's not clear if the rest of the cast has signed on already or they need to get Pine first and then they'll start to make the other deals. If it's the latter, then it seems like even if they get Pine they aren't exactly out of trouble especially if they pull the same s**t with the others too. I doubt they'll start production in january anyway, at this point.

actors can't wait forever, they might get offered new roles and their agents need to plan it all to avoid filming schedule conflicts. Waiting for paramount to make a decision is a risk.
 
No one is going to make a "go" decision with regard to another Star Trek feature film - regardless of whether the whole cast has agreed to perform - until the status of Les Moonves is resolved and/or his replacement is chosen. This is an off-the-cuff conclusion, but in light of today's headlines, I think it's correct. CBS News' own report (concerning the recent New Yorker exposé but still relevant today; www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-independent-directors-respond-to-report-of-misconduct-by-ceo-les-moonves/) states,

The story comes at a time when CBS is in a legal battle with Viacom. Shari Redstone is a major shareholder of both media companies, and has been seeking to combine them. CBS owns the CBS TV network, cable network Showtime and the publisher Simon & Schuster. Viacom controls several major cable networks, including Comedy Central, MTV and BET, and movie studio Paramount. Moonves, 68, has fought the merger.
If the divided Star Trek properties might merge as a result of Moonves' departure, which seems imminent, this would affect all related film and TV plans. So for now there seems little point in discussing Chris Pine's finances.
 
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Yeah, but that might be a bigger concern, if anything, for TV trek (and the streaming service) than Paramount's movies.
 
I've seen more than one report that Ms. Redstone wants to combine the companies for the purpose of selling the whole thing. To me that suggests Paramount will be in stasis for the time being. Paramount's leadership, such as it is, knows so little about the company's future status that it probably wouldn't even greenlight a Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie under the present circumstances (if one hadn't just been produced).

(It is sort of amusing that both Star Trek and M:I originated at Desilu. Maybe there should have been a Mannix movie series too...)
 
If the final nail in Star Trek 4's coffin is a merger and sale, that would suck.

I'm starting to wonder if plans were ever truly serious for Star Trek's 4 and 5, or if it's all noise to keep brand interest and value as high as possible for what's to come.
 
No one is going to make a "go" decision with regard to another Star Trek feature film - regardless of whether the whole cast has agreed to perform - until the status of Les Moonves is resolved and/or his replacement is chosen. This is an off-the-cuff conclusion, but in light of today's headlines, I think it's correct. CBS News' own report (concerning the recent New Yorker exposé but still relevant today; www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-independent-directors-respond-to-report-of-misconduct-by-ceo-les-moonves/) states,

The story comes at a time when CBS is in a legal battle with Viacom. Shari Redstone is a major shareholder of both media companies, and has been seeking to combine them. CBS owns the CBS TV network, cable network Showtime and the publisher Simon & Schuster. Viacom controls several major cable networks, including Comedy Central, MTV and BET, and movie studio Paramount. Moonves, 68, has fought the merger.
If the divided Star Trek properties might merge as a result of Moonves' departure, which seems imminent, this would affect all related film and TV plans. So for now there seems little point in discussing Chris Pine's finances.

Paramount isn't going to quit doing business for the foreseeable future waiting this out. Especially since there's been some kind of agreement to not pursue a merger for two years.
 
No one is going to make a "go" decision with regard to another Star Trek feature film - regardless of whether the whole cast has agreed to perform - until the status of Les Moonves is resolved and/or his replacement is chosen. This is an off-the-cuff conclusion, but in light of today's headlines, I think it's correct. CBS News' own report (concerning the recent New Yorker exposé but still relevant today; www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-independent-directors-respond-to-report-of-misconduct-by-ceo-les-moonves/) states,

The story comes at a time when CBS is in a legal battle with Viacom. Shari Redstone is a major shareholder of both media companies, and has been seeking to combine them. CBS owns the CBS TV network, cable network Showtime and the publisher Simon & Schuster. Viacom controls several major cable networks, including Comedy Central, MTV and BET, and movie studio Paramount. Moonves, 68, has fought the merger.
If the divided Star Trek properties might merge as a result of Moonves' departure, which seems imminent, this would affect all related film and TV plans. So for now there seems little point in discussing Chris Pine's finances.

Paramount isn't CBS. ST4 completely lives or dies on it's own merits, and has no connection to CBS whatsoever. Even if they were merging - which we now know won't happen for at least another 2 years - they're not going to stop their movie from production, the same way as CBS won't stop producing Discovery of the Picard show to wait for that deal.

I still wonder about the rest of the cast. Did they have deals in place too? Is paramount honoring their deals but not Pine's because he's more expensive?
aside from Pine, only Zachary was said to have already signed for a fourth movie. I guess his new contract was lower than Pine's anyway but still, it's not clear if the rest of the cast has signed on already or they need to get Pine first and then they'll start to make the other deals. If it's the latter, then it seems like even if they get Pine they aren't exactly out of trouble especially if they pull the same s**t with the others too. I doubt they'll start production in january anyway, at this point.

actors can't wait forever, they might get offered new roles and their agents need to plan it all to avoid filming schedule conflicts. Waiting for paramount to make a decision is a risk.

Not to be too blunt about it, but: Most of the cast isn't that big in Hollywood. Even if what they earn on Trek is pennies compared to what Pine and Hemsworth do, it would still be bigger than what they earn almost anywhere else in their career. If somebody is offering them tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars - they'll be there.

The obvious exception of course being Zoe Saldana. Who is big in Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers and Avatar - but Avengers is already filmed, and with the clusterfuck surrounding the ousting of James Gunn, no one knows when GotG3 will start filming. And of course her role in "Avatar", which is much bigger than Trek, so Trek would have to eiter ditch Saldana (would be a shame, but in the grand scheme of things not hurt Trek as much as a TOS movie without Kirk), or work around the filming schedule and probably give her a reduced role or something. Really, it's a tell for the gender imbalance in Hollywood that she is never going to earn as much money as Pine or Hemsworth for Trek - she is in bigger movies than them.
 
Honestly, it's frustrating for me that TV trek and the movies/reboot cannot be linked to each other, but a merger now might be too late and possibly mess up things. But then again, probably more for TV trek than feature films.
Paramount may be chill about these news for the most part, I don't think they are foundamental on whether we get more movies or not.
Funny enough, they are the ones that always had the gold mine but didn't make a good use of it.


The obvious exception of course being Zoe Saldana. Who is big in Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers and Avatar - but Avengers is already filmed, and with the clusterfuck surrounding the ousting of James Gunn, no one knows when GotG3 will start filming. And of course her role in "Avatar", which is much bigger than Trek, so Trek would have to eiter ditch Saldana (would be a shame, but in the grand scheme of things not hurt Trek as much as a TOS movie without Kirk), or work around the filming schedule and probably give her a reduced role or something.

I follow news about Zoe and I think her agent must be stressed ^ or maybe not.
She has already finished filming her scenes for the first two avatar sequels and they might not film the others for a while. These movies are the least of their concerns because they use motion capture and she thus isn't always asked to be on set. In fact, she did other things while she filmed her scenes in avatar.
The only conflict was gotg3 because, at first, rumor was that both gotg and trek wanted to start filming in january. They could find a way to make her do both (it happened already) but anyway, even before Gunn got fired, the studio had wanted to start filming gotg this september instead, thus making her more free to do other projects in early 2019.
Now, ironically, gotg3 isn't an issue but trek may get delayed too.

My concern is that the cast can't be left in a limbo and wait for trek to get an official date forever. They might be available now but get offered new roles in the meantime , including Pine.

Really, it's a tell for the gender imbalance in Hollywood that she is never going to earn as much money as Pine or Hemsworth for Trek - she is in bigger movies than them

If Zoe had cared about money too much, she wouldn't have a career now.
It's worse for her because she's a woman of color too so she probably gets even less because of that.
She's not the type to, now, shut up and accept Hollywood's crap but she also seems to be a realist who makes lemonade when life gives her lemons. Hollywood is problematic and deserves no excuse but some actors who are too picky should learn a thing or two from people like Zoe who had accepted small roles and little paycheck just to get the opportunity to work with actors they admired. Doesn't mean some things are fair, but change requires time that people who still need representation don't have.

Frankly, maybe paramount needs the two Chrises more than these two need trek..but still, they need trek and they generally need to work. For them, trek is an opportunity I wouldn't give up too easily, especially Pine. Hollywood's love isn't forever.
In terms of big names, the Chrises and Zoe may be the bigger stars they have and it's useful to have them compared to unknown faces, but I also think we are in a time where the popularity of actors isn't as foundamental as it maybe was decades ago. There aren't really any 'icons' here. You can win an Oscar and then not work for years.
People don't go watch movies just because a certain actor is on the poster. This includes Kirk and Thor too. These guys aren't THAT big. I think we need this Kirk by Pine, and this Uhura by Saldana etc etc more because the audience loves them in the roles already and they are these characters since years, than because the actors are big names and enough popular to make people watch the movies. And they, IMO, really don't need Thor. They want to bring Kirk's dad back only to have him in the movie and I get that, but at the same time I think believing he'll save this trek and make them get the numbers they want is disingenuos.
 
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