And if I'm laughing at someone sacrificing their life I don't think I want to. Kind of like the guy I knew in college who laughed when Leo died in Titanic. Out loud. In the theater. His girlfriend was not pleased.Because you've never watched a Carry on movie
I'll not pretend that I understood a word of that.
That doesn't follow at all. For one thing, people can find fault with part of a film, and still like it overall. Secondly, just because someone doesn't share your opinion, that doesn't invalidate your opinion.But what do I know? It got a high score on rotten tomatoes so clearly my opinions are invalidated.
It’s funny because it’s so comically bad. Like when Spider-Man’s webbing reaches out for Gwen Stacy it’s animated like a hand reaching out. I get what all these filmmakers are going for, but they utterly fall flat for me because they don’t feel earned and badly timed. But if that worked for you? Great. I wish I could love this too. I at least admire that it tries to examine Kirk’s character more earnestly, even though it handled it horribly and for specific reasons cited by the filmmakers that I don’t agree with. The only thing that works about that scene is Pine and Quinto doing their best to make it work. In fact, the best part of that scene was Pine’s “I’m scared, Spock”, a line NOT from TWOK. I think a lot more fans would be forgiving if they did not recite any lines from that old movie. The glass separating them was already more than enough to evoke that moment.
But what do I know? It got a high score on rotten tomatoes so clearly my opinions are invalidated.
So true. We are in a culture where ppl feel attacked if you don't agree with them. It brings to mind a moment from my childhood where I was hit in the face with a baseball because a kid didn't like something I said. It's why I tend to start or end my opinions, with sentences like 'just my two cents,' and 'I feel this,' or 'This came across to me this way,' because you know 'Only Sith deal in absolutes!'
There were quite a few lines there different from TWoK unless I was watching a different movie.
Obviously I'm happy with the way it is, but I was thinking the other day it woulda been cool if they had made Khan turn out to be a goodish guy where he ended up helping Kirk in the end. Or just not being Khan at all, but a wronged John Harrison who was genetically engineered that was part bad boy part good guy.
I thought this was about ST4 and I get more beating the STiD dead horse...………..
Hard to say since it depends on who is writing the stories. That point changes. I wouldn't say that is the point, depends on who you ask I imagine. It seems like they want to keep the familiar but play with the differences as well. I get the feeling JJ was trying to bring in younger audiences and most of them have not seen TOS movies. I know none of my friends have. I had one friend over and I had TSFS on and he was like 'Is that...oh who is it?' and I was like 'William Shatner?" And he goes 'Yeah, I haven't seen him that young before!'
No news on that front so in the meantime we are discussing and yes beating dead horses. It's too bad this forum doesn't have the smiley face gif that is beating a dead horse.I thought this was about ST4 and I get more beating the STiD dead horse...………..
That remark of mine is really just a reference to the many times I’ve seen fans of these films respond to criticisms by being very dismissive, citing rotten tomatoes and box office numbers as a way of arguing these films are untouchable. Likely a reaction to the more fringe groups that state their opinions as facts (“this movie is terrible”), but at a certain point between the release of the first two films, that kind of dismissive attitude bled over onto any kind of criticism, not just the fringe “it betrays Roddenberry’s vision!!!!” nonsense. It’s mellowed out over the years, but it was very annoying during its peak in 2013. It’s part of why I left these forums for a certain period because I worried this place was just becoming an echo chamber for fans of the Kelvin films. Dennis was the most obnoxious of them. It’s sort of become a cliche of his to post a Cumberbatch meme saying “NOPE”, something a few others were guilty of.
If you look at it like this, compare it to I, Robot. In the novel and the recent film the Large Computer Brain TM stumbles upon the Zeroth Law. In the book, this takes the form of subtly pushing humanity in one direction or another. In the movie, the computer decides that humans are too much of a danger to themselves and they must be led like cattle.
I think the original idea behind Khan was to be more of a cautionary tale against eugenics. Khan seems to be bred like a pitbull with aggressive genes and it makes it so that he sort of doesn't have a choice to be anything other than a megalomaniac.
Taking Khan down a whole other road would raise a lot of questions in the whole nature vs. nurture debate as well as fully utilize the alternate universe angle. There's a whole subgenre of sci-fi about pre-programmed killing machines who sometimes transcend and sometimes don't tanscend their programming, like Soldier on the Outer Limits (partial inspiration for The Terminator). How to Train your Dragon also worked on these themes. Could have been really interesting.
