Nope
Poll STAR TREK 4: Guess that plot
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There is no reason for this to be the case.
Yep.
Given that Sherri Redstone didn't like the split of the franchise, given that Quinton Tarantino doesn't even acknowledge the split in the franchise, and given the mood of the fans (in regards to Bad Robot/JJ Abrams), a symbolic "unification" could work to mend fences.
Mend what fences? Those who don't like the Kelvin films will not like the Kelvin films, no matter what. QT can believe whatever he wants to believe, it makes no nevermind to me, and I doubt it influences Paramount and CBS' decisions.
I mean, I hope they feel free to do films in every single Trek era, from DSC, to PIC, as well as Kelvin. But, mending fences at this point feels like a moot point.
Nope.
Did she hate the idea of the movies being with one company and the TV series being with another? Or did she hate having two "timelines"? I doubt she's given any thought to the latter. It was her company that came up with the Kelvin timeline.
What mood? Some fans like it. Some don't. It has ever been thus since TMP. Same story different year.
I'm sure some fans hate that Joker is out of continuity with The Dark Knight, but they're not going to make a movie to reconcile the differences.
The entire point of the AU was to tell NEW stories with the most famous Trek crew of all. And that's what they're gonna keep doing.
The entire point of the AU was to tell NEW stories with the most famous Trek crew of all. And that's what they're gonna keep doing.
I had to Google who Sherri Redstone is.
Honestly, one of discovery producers was like 'everyone would prefer it if everything happened in the same reality (prime)' (thank you for the gatekeeping crap, btw), but that was before the divide between TV and movies trek was fixed so.. the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I think they all liked kelvin trek fine, and new TV trek reflects that IMO, but they couldn't use this reality for their shows so they pretended that prime is the only valid one (versus admitting that was everything they were allowed to do at the time)
Now things might be a bit different and it's possible that if the occasion arises, you might get TV content that is set in the kelvin timeline too. Why should they get rid of the kelvin reality now that they can finally use it?
The fact they released the star trek fleet command game with the kelvin reality (not to mention star trek online), as well as them resurrecting those kelvin trek novels, suggests me that there in an interest in kelvin trek that isn't limited to paramount&bad robot.
To be fair, when it comes to the crew the writers are partly to blame for how uptight part of the fanbase is. The old writers made few (if any) attempts to give the crew a family and, you know, a life outside the enterprise. As a result, you have fans like me who are genuinely happy when they finally do more with those aspects but there are, also, some old school fans that are so 'fond' of the concept of the original 7 not having a realistic personal life outside their job (not to mention them all being monks) that now even one kid is shock. I mean, the old writers didn't even give them real, stable relationships so any kid in the old thing came across as coming out of nowhere.
The cynical in me can't help but think that the moment they gave Kirk a son, they had to kill him asap because it figures if Kirk could have that connection with someone outside the ship. As soon as David served his narrative purpose, they just eliminated him and Carol.
As much as writers wanted to do new things, tos canon will always be their cage and the old movies reflected that.
Now, even in kelvin trek Sulu may be allowed to have a daughter only because he had one in tos. I could see Pegg&Co being that naive to pretend it must be the same kid and he won't have others. It's fine for Sulu to have a kid only because he had one in tos too lol!
Fans are infected by this kind of mindset, see those who take for granted that if Kirk has kids it must only be David with Carol, in spite of him having no relationship with her in this reality (honestly, by stid alone she could've ended up with Mccoy too but I digress) and there being no reason whatsoever why they must have a kid and a failed relationship, and thus the same destiny they had in tos.
In beyond, pegg&Co wrote Carol out using, once again, tos as an excuse by assuming that she'd eventually do what she did in prime that's why you don't see her there. That was disappointing to me because while I don't have this super fannish attachment to her character after stid, I feel like tptb was setting up another major difference between kelvin and prime by making Carol join the enterprise crew as a science officer. At this point, why even put her there. If given a choice, I'd prefer if Eve were playing Rand tbh, but maybe Pegg&Co would write her out too to 'homage' tos.
Honestly, one of discovery producers was like 'everyone would prefer it if everything happened in the same reality (prime)' (thank you for the gatekeeping crap, btw), but that was before the divide between TV and movies trek was fixed so.. the lady doth protest too much, methinks.
I think they all liked kelvin trek fine, and new TV trek reflects that IMO, but they couldn't use this reality for their shows so they pretended that prime is the only valid one (versus admitting that was everything they were allowed to do at the time)
Now things might be a bit different and it's possible that if the occasion arises, you might get TV content that is set in the kelvin timeline too. Why should they get rid of the kelvin reality now that they can finally use it?
The fact they released the star trek fleet command game with the kelvin reality (not to mention star trek online), as well as them resurrecting those kelvin trek novels, suggests me that there in an interest in kelvin trek that isn't limited to paramount&bad robot.
You know some of the fanbase finds that concept to be an incomprehensible blasphemy. ***cough***Sarek***cough***
To be fair, when it comes to the crew the writers are partly to blame for how uptight part of the fanbase is. The old writers made few (if any) attempts to give the crew a family and, you know, a life outside the enterprise. As a result, you have fans like me who are genuinely happy when they finally do more with those aspects but there are, also, some old school fans that are so 'fond' of the concept of the original 7 not having a realistic personal life outside their job (not to mention them all being monks) that now even one kid is shock. I mean, the old writers didn't even give them real, stable relationships so any kid in the old thing came across as coming out of nowhere.
The cynical in me can't help but think that the moment they gave Kirk a son, they had to kill him asap because it figures if Kirk could have that connection with someone outside the ship. As soon as David served his narrative purpose, they just eliminated him and Carol.
As much as writers wanted to do new things, tos canon will always be their cage and the old movies reflected that.
Now, even in kelvin trek Sulu may be allowed to have a daughter only because he had one in tos. I could see Pegg&Co being that naive to pretend it must be the same kid and he won't have others. It's fine for Sulu to have a kid only because he had one in tos too lol!
Fans are infected by this kind of mindset, see those who take for granted that if Kirk has kids it must only be David with Carol, in spite of him having no relationship with her in this reality (honestly, by stid alone she could've ended up with Mccoy too but I digress) and there being no reason whatsoever why they must have a kid and a failed relationship, and thus the same destiny they had in tos.
In beyond, pegg&Co wrote Carol out using, once again, tos as an excuse by assuming that she'd eventually do what she did in prime that's why you don't see her there. That was disappointing to me because while I don't have this super fannish attachment to her character after stid, I feel like tptb was setting up another major difference between kelvin and prime by making Carol join the enterprise crew as a science officer. At this point, why even put her there. If given a choice, I'd prefer if Eve were playing Rand tbh, but maybe Pegg&Co would write her out too to 'homage' tos.
Well I think Carol was written out beause they didn't have a story for her to be in it.. as in.. she'd just be back ground.. but maybe her being there and pregnant would have been interesting.. and instead of Kirk just getting bored, him asking for the admiral posisition may be to be on a starbase for the kid and carol instaed of flying around the galaxy..
Said in previous posts.. make this next on on family!
Said in previous posts.. make this next on on family!
What would you picture that looking like, storywise?
As long as the movie doesn't end like Legion did.
Time travel undoes the entire series.
The Plot?
Tribbles. Just Tribbles.
Tribbles. Just Tribbles.
Sounds very Star Trek though.
Not sure, but I figure that time travel will be involved, but done in a way similar to "Yesterday's Enterprise": George Kirk finds himself in the Kelvin-verse, but must go back to the point of divergence in order to "set right what went wrong". When it is all over, then we will have the Prime Timeline back, but the aesthetics will be slightly different still (more of an update to the look of ST). Then, we're set for Tarantino's Star Trek movie, and that will be that. Just my opinion....
Man, I hope not. If they have to make another movie just to invalidate the whole trilogy I'd rather they end it with beyond and reboot later when they feel like it, assuming the world needs another reboot of the tos characters at this point.
I really don't get the point.
I never watched Legion but it seems kinda...interesting for sure. The main character is one of those that isn't definitely a good or bad guy, right?
Maybe the guy can pull a villain that isn't one dimensional, I dunno.
I really don't get the point.
I never watched Legion but it seems kinda...interesting for sure. The main character is one of those that isn't definitely a good or bad guy, right?
Maybe the guy can pull a villain that isn't one dimensional, I dunno.
If there is a villain I would rather they have motivated besides revenge, either have a sympathetic Well-Intentioned Extremist or an unsympathetic villain driven by greed or bigotry.
Perhaps the crew should deal with a natural disaster instead of a villain, I don't know.
Perhaps the crew should deal with a natural disaster instead of a villain, I don't know.
Kinda like VOY's time cop trying to wipe them out of existence for the "good" of the future?
Where is the option for 'Whale Probe arrives early Kirk & Co go back to 1986 and have to avoid their older prime counterparts and enlist the help of Eddie Murphy as a UFO believing college professor and brie larson as an aerobics instructor/Kirk love interest?'
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